From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 32243 invoked from network); 2 May 2020 16:51:39 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 May 2020 16:51:39 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jUvLx-0001cn-DO; Sat, 02 May 2020 11:51:01 -0500 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jUvLt-0001a5-04 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 02 May 2020 11:50:57 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jUvLr-0000Lg-Ju for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 02 May 2020 11:50:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=NSu2FFRSL2yZukBisMBRlBI2qrlkABFHoDQUsqhWffw=; b=VhbFFJ8nRo/qMFvweMvXKsxQ5I 3mi2dcFl+QhRkyx1CVdhOni4fsDu97yIWf56aRqujW2Y3v1iWQOv536UgO6/tcT7FsxMV9fjn1a7c dr4wB4eGpEjSJAzyjTg3KUqeJz3QXLrboJmpjWvu+TyXi2zvjmfy23la53IT/sXFqCf8=; Received: from zplane.randomsample.de ([2a03:4000:42:1a1:9400:eeff:feb4:c8a0]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUvLj-0005RV-JT; Sat, 02 May 2020 18:50:51 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=NSu2FFRSL2yZukBisMBRlBI2qrlkABFHoDQUsqhWffw=; b=bm6x64mTrnhsBFp8IURFrbemZ 9h+GnpcJ/IF0hpna7eXa8p8cuDi/ayz1fRzIjd9xj36GfuUgd5BOCma+D2ejmoV6jZcJq54QmhH16 rIYcCcV7rjZSBZsFJuGiuBl4eCn2zeKwczBpm7x5/4zAckpXHcnrArGb9EDu3yaOQK2GCvTIUgI8U qw212pDZX7jxgcmsw9zZhvyM4wEpPEzQcWNIgIcqhdHGPMN4J9lKQYAHvvLuHrYobfSNLg945mwm7 1q1uBdDlZRSXWKmEZsw6Y3RKSA9Ak5aw673ODfoXvxl//H8/sIlavyLotXVKbJgr9CLQKxVn4tpt9 B7FzJQyWg==; Received: from ip5f5abaee.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([95.90.186.238] helo=void) by zplane.randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUvLg-0000uc-Tl; Sat, 02 May 2020 18:50:45 +0200 From: David Engster To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: new wifi connection = nntp timeout = Emacs restart? In-Reply-To: <874ksys73q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Sat, 02 May 2020 08:13:13 -0700") References: <87sgh3coxn.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87o8rogew7.fsf@barthel.ch> <87zhb7mlf0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a72t35ng.fsf@gnus.org> <87sggkeuvr.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874kt01w30.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1w4boft.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <877dxwzjz6.fsf@gnus.org> <87mu6sbntb.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87368kziq4.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7x0bm8p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87y2qcy2vb.fsf@gnus.org> <87mu6sc7hz.fsf@randomsample> <87imhgc58s.fsf@randomsample> <87sggja7hv.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87d07ncrb3.fsf@randomsample> <874ksz89c3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878siad4ez.fsf@randomsample> <874ksys73q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.91 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 18:50:44 +0200 Message-ID: <874ksycmcb.fsf@randomsample> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: Precedence: bulk > But this requires installing the NetworkManager package, right? For detecting network changes, yes. > Which I've been happily doing without. Me too, until yesterday, but not happily. Dealing with WiFi through 'iw' and editing /etc/network/interfaces is not a success story, IMHO. > I wonder what percentage of Gnus users are on dbus-enabled systems... On GNU/Linux: high percentage. It's very hard to remove DBus from a modern distribution. Unless you're working on a tty or only use 'startx', it's most probably running. > I don't suppose it's worth trying to make something built-in for them. I think it does no harm to have something like this as long as it doesn't bother people who don't want/have it. I'm sure Lars will eventually come up with the perfect method to detect stale TCP connections, but even then I'd consider this useful. -David