From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88243 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnorb and org-refile-use-outline-path Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 13:39:16 -0800 Message-ID: <874lcg3dob.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <8736sebxyt.fsf@web.de> <87o9b2wwvr.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87k1lpixdm.fsf@web.de> <875zx9wl65.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tvkt1m6b.fsf@web.de> <87in19s8i2.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87va59s7ci.fsf@web.de> <87bm6zscab.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874lcrsbw8.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87in17nf69.fsf@web.de> <875zx6njfj.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87efbtzce0.fsf@web.de> <87ftw63wq5.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87va51sen1.fsf@web.de> <87efbo235s.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tvkk6vqp.fsf@web.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1542404307 24257 195.159.176.226 (16 Nov 2018 21:38:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 21:38:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M36453@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Nov 16 22:38:23 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNlok-0006Cj-VE for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 22:38:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gNlpy-0000YI-Rb; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 15:39:38 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gNlpp-0000VT-DU for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 15:39:29 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gNlpn-0007v5-T5 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 15:39:29 -0600 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (helo=blaine.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNlpm-0008LU-4V for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 22:39:26 +0100 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNlnd-0004u5-Rx for ding@gnus.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 22:37:13 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:sl0I4OirUy7N13RoNkBI6qqwhJk= X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88243 Archived-At: Michael Heerdegen writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> Oh, I see. But... I think it would be less surprising to just have Gnorb >> behave the same way Org does. You never know what people think about >> the defaults, and it seems likely that users who are annoyed by Org's >> default behavior would have already changed it. > > I can't estimate. However, I would expect that there are also some > Gnorb users that don't use Org that much (or at all) to know about > org-refile-use-outline-path. If you think that most people using Gnorb > also know Org and that option, is it really a win to provide an extra > Gnorb option at all? I guess most people would at least want the same > behavior for both Org and Gnorb. Gnorb is almost completely useless without Org, so yes, I'm assuming that Gnorb users would have already run into this issue and, if it annoyed them, changed the Org default. I guess now that I think about it, you're probably right that this just isn't a very useful option to have in Gnorb. The Gnorb version of refile targets I still think is useful, because users might want to confine their Gnorb activity to a smaller range of Org files/headings. But I wouldn't want to provide this option just because users might be annoyed by the Org defaults. I'll think about this a bit, but might revert the addition. > So, while I'm a bit Org agnostic, in my opinion the best thing to do > would be to change the default of the Org option. I think that's the right solution, and it's worth bringing up on the Org list!