From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/85927 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: storing messages into an mbox file Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:07:23 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <874mngnsw4.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> References: <87r3r45b4c.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <87y4lc10lt.fsf@igel.home> <878uda689b.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <87fv7iofuz.fsf@igel.home> <87zj5q4jxn.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <877fsu78k8.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87wq0olwl9.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <87h9rskhio.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87pp6cj854.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <87y4kz5sqb.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87egmpq00q.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <877fsgzjvn.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431547760 20079 80.91.229.3 (13 May 2015 20:09:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:09:20 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M34162@lists.math.uh.edu Wed May 13 22:09:08 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yscxn-0003Zj-To for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 13 May 2015 22:09:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yscws-0005BL-9s; Wed, 13 May 2015 15:08:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yscwq-0005Ax-7r for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 13 May 2015 15:08:08 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yscwp-0000D7-6D for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 13 May 2015 15:08:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [185.55.75.245] (helo=jarl.yagibdah.de) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yscwn-0000y5-26 for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 13 May 2015 22:08:05 +0200 Original-Received: from br-dmz-ip.yagibdah.de ([192.168.1.1] helo=heimdali.yagibdah.de) by jarl.yagibdah.de with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yscwl-0001d1-Df for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 13 May 2015 22:08:03 +0200 Original-Received: from lee by heimdali.yagibdah.de with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yscwl-0006ha-Bm for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 13 May 2015 22:08:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877fsgzjvn.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> (Eric S. Fraga's message of "Sun, 10 May 2015 13:39:56 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:85927 Archived-At: Eric S Fraga writes: > On Saturday, 9 May 2015 at 16:49, lee wrote: > > [...] > >> Sometimes gnus is really awful > > I sympathise. I have had feelings like this in the dim past. Every > time I did, I switched to another MUA (pine, mutt, Thunderbird, gmail, > even Outlook very briefly) only to come back when I hit the limitations > of the other MUAs. Only mutt lasted for more than a few months, and > that was because I could use Emacs easily as the composition editor. I've used mutt for over 15 years or so and was glad to get away from its limits. > gnus is frustrating because it is *so* completely adaptable. You can It is frustrating that gnus insists on storing obsolete data, doesn't let me delete groups I created and refuses to tell me where the mails are stored. > tune it to your needs no matter what those needs may be, in my > experience. The problem is figuring it all out. This list is brilliant > for this! I'm finding this mailing list not very helpful. Sometimes I don't get answers at all, sometimes the result is that nobody knows or that it's a missing feature or capability or that it's too complicated to be used. Getting answers that actually help solving the problem at hand are pretty rare. Now I can't even find out where the mails are stored, how to delete obsolete groups and how to make sure that the data gnus uses is clean. These are very simple and basic questions, with no answers to them. > But, of course, you should use what works for you! Maybe I should go back to mutt, but I'd have to convert all my email back to maildir --- or perhaps use gnus merely as an archive. In any case, I'd prefer to find a solution to these questions so that I don't need to switch. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swallow us. Finally, this fear has become reasonable.