From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/76311 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Position of point in reply-with-original Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:25:29 +0100 Message-ID: <874o8kiwme.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> References: <87tyglxjja.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5bpgk6p.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87k4hhniw6.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296771967 15626 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2011 22:26:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:26:07 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M24664@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Feb 03 23:26:03 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7cn-0006XD-Rl for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:26:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7cf-0006my-JF; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:25:53 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7cd-0006mj-TN for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:25:51 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7cb-0002VZ-HY for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:25:51 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7ca-0001Fu-6M for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:25:48 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7ca-0006P6-0A for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:25:48 +0100 Original-Received: from p54ac60a2.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.172.96.162]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:25:47 +0100 Original-Received: from Reiner.Steib by p54ac60a2.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:25:47 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 60 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p54ac60a2.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: #vK]N[`vqjuod*|)'[iD7/"3AB-ApT%fmN"LWAg@oS7OesGv~)n[OBTLM#I="J'Y^-7I I/ps7o_'IK@#-Rs{::DZ@O8yS|fexe,XslY[:dNWOb~>?mC-&i_c)say:"\IpA.5U.b]'NY;Pks{lb h.+#6%DpZuaK3dcHB`Av3zc:r!C%~s0&m,tWj]&},qg.+0ww2gK%f!:GK|wMl.I!(voY*1"^li8"~B BNG)9LvPi?^DMR-GVDnZqhu*3Hi,+g=wFhI)BL6&u{EOVEHjVEVq~d?_}lMntWAc3(6?kftjc>_f>! g0wM(qPM$d5]^TT_Qyi&L?LGVG)SHN;Gk/,pkY9,~ Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:sWWODwXpwDKvyqAT50J8jOEipvY= X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin (3.3.1 2010-03-16) analysis follows Bayesian score: 0.0000 Ham tokens: 0.000-1650--3883h-0s--0d--H*u:Emacs, 0.000-1585--3731h-0s--0d--H*u:Gnus, 0.000-1533--3607h-0s--0d--H*u:linux, 0.000-1533--3607h-0s--0d--H*UA:linux, 0.000-1477--3476h-0s--0d--H*u:gnu Spam tokens: 0.993-1--0h-2s--2d--H*M:physik, 0.906-4--5h-112s--0d--H*F:D*cc Autolearn status: no 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is freemail (reinersteib+gmane[at]imap.cc) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 2.4 FREEMAIL_REPLYTO Reply-To/From or Reply-To/body contain different freemails 0.0 T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:76311 Archived-At: On Thu, Feb 03 2011, Antoine Levitt wrote: > There's message-cite-reply-above that does the trick, but is incredibly > condescending by > > - insulting you for wanting the option in the first place in the > docstring I think the doc string (I wrote it, as well as the code) is neither condescending nor insulting: ,----[ v message-cite-reply-above RET ] | message-cite-reply-above is a variable defined in `message.el'. | Its value is nil | | Documentation: | If non-nil, start own text above the quote. | | Note: Top posting is bad netiquette. Don't use it unless you | really must. You probably want to set variable only for specific | groups, e.g. using `gnus-posting-styles': | | (eval (set (make-local-variable 'message-cite-reply-above) t)) | | This variable has no effect in news postings. `---- > - ignoring the setting in news posting That's a feature. > - asking you if you're really really sure when you post > > It seems it's pretty standard use in mail, Yes unfortunately, like HTML, missing line breaks, stupid disclaimers, "Sent from my whatever...", signatures without a separator, ... > and almost all "modern" clients (webmails, thunderbird, outlook and > such) have this as default. If you want , use it. > I'm not trying to start a flamewar as to which one is better, but we > should give the users the option. You have the option, as you already discovered. On Thu, Feb 03 2011, Antoine Levitt wrote: > But I for one would like to post above the cited text, at least in > mail. In the current state of affairs, I cannot do it without > modifying gnus' source code. Not true. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/