smtp send using odd port

smtp send using odd port

[reader]

How can I stipulate an uncommon port for smtp sending.  My server uses
8025 instead of the normal 25?  And how can I get lots of debug info,
especially the full smtp conversation?

Gnus code:

;;;;;; Keep this (mail-user-agent) here ;;;;;;;;;;;;
(setq mail-user-agent  'gnus-user-agent)
;;;  ********* Begin smtp send ************
(setq send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it) ; not for Gnus
(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it) ; for Gnus
(setq smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp.newsguy.com")
(setq user-mail-address "reader@newsguy.com") 
(setq user-full-name "Harry Putnam")
(setq smtpmail-local-domain "newsguy.com")
(setq smtpmail-sendto-domain "newsguy.com")
(setq smtpmail-debug-info t) ; only to debug problems
;; ;;; ********* End smtp send ****************

Re: smtp send using odd port

[Hynek Schlawack]

* reader@newsguy.com wrote:

> How can I stipulate an uncommon port for smtp sending.  My server uses
> 8025 instead of the normal 25?

I guess you look for (describe-variable 'smtpmail-smtp-service) <- C-x C-e here.

Re: smtp send using odd port

[Harry Putnam]

Hynek Schlawack <hynek@ularx.de> writes:

> * reader@newsguy.com wrote:
>
>> How can I stipulate an uncommon port for smtp sending.  My server uses
>> 8025 instead of the normal 25?
>
> I guess you look for (describe-variable 'smtpmail-smtp-service) <- C-x C-e here.

Haaa, nice.  Now any tips on getting lots of debugginf info including
the full smtp conversation from servers?

Re: smtp send using odd port

[Hynek Schlawack]

* Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:

>>> How can I stipulate an uncommon port for smtp sending.  My server
>>> uses 8025 instead of the normal 25?
>> I guess you look for (describe-variable 'smtpmail-smtp-service) <-
>> C-x C-e here.
> Haaa, nice.  Now any tips on getting lots of debugginf info including
> the full smtp conversation from servers?

The *Messages*-buffer contains at least the incomming-traffic from the
SMTP-server.

Re: smtp send using odd port

[Harry Putnam]

Hynek Schlawack <hynek@ularx.de> writes:

> * reader@newsguy.com wrote:
>
>> How can I stipulate an uncommon port for smtp sending.  My server uses
>> 8025 instead of the normal 25?
>
> I guess you look for (describe-variable 'smtpmail-smtp-service) <- C-x C-e here.

Thanks... the sending still fails though, I'm not sure why from the
trace output from *Messages*:

  Sending...
  Sending via mail...
  open-network-stream: make client process failed: connection refused,
  :name, SMTP, :buffer, *trace of SMTP session to smtp.newsguy.com*, 
  :host, smtp.newsguy.com, :service, 8025

Telnet smtp.newsguy.com 8025 also fails.  However some mail clients
work with 8025 set in smtp.newsguy.com... like thunderbird.

So I'm guessing its something else the server expects.  How does the
uid and paswd get passed? Does it need to be in the smtp code in ~/.gnus
somehow too, or maybe ~/.authinfo.

What would it look like in elisp?

Re: smtp send using odd port

[Hynek Schlawack]

* Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:

>> I guess you look for (describe-variable 'smtpmail-smtp-service) <- C-x C-e here.
> Thanks... the sending still fails though, I'm not sure why from the
> trace output from *Messages*:
>
>   Sending...
>   Sending via mail...
>   open-network-stream: make client process failed: connection refused,
>   :name, SMTP, :buffer, *trace of SMTP session to smtp.newsguy.com*, 

What's in buffer *trace of SMTP session to smtp.newsguy.com* ?

>   :host, smtp.newsguy.com, :service, 8025
> Telnet smtp.newsguy.com 8025 also fails.  

Works fine here.

> However some mail clients work with 8025 set in
> smtp.newsguy.com... like thunderbird.
> So I'm guessing its something else the server expects.  

"Connection refused" ain't anything with expecting. Looks like a
temporary network-problem?

> How does the uid and paswd get passed? Does it need to be in the smtp
> code in ~/.gnus somehow too, or maybe ~/.authinfo.

Normally, you'd put your credentials into ~/.authinfo as
usual. smtp.newsguy.com doesn't advertise AUTH though. Maybe SMTP-after-POP?

Re: smtp send using odd port

[Harry Putnam]

Hynek Schlawack <hynek@ularx.de> writes:

>>   Sending...
>>   Sending via mail...
>>   open-network-stream: make client process failed: connection refused,
>>   :name, SMTP, :buffer, *trace of SMTP session to smtp.newsguy.com*, 
>
> What's in buffer *trace of SMTP session to smtp.newsguy.com* ?

I thought I'd included a mention about that buffer having nothing in
it.  sorry.

But now it works.  Not sure what changed, I didn't restart emacs.
Thanks for your help.

I'm still a little puzzled about how auth info is passed since I have
no entry in ~/.authinfo regarding smtp.newsguy.com and I'm pretty sure
it is required.   For example, in thunderbird I have to set my uid and
passwd for the smtp server before it will work.

The captured smtp conversation doesn't indicate any auth.

Re: smtp send using odd port

[Harry Putnam]

Hynek Schlawack <hynek@ularx.de> writes:

> * reader@newsguy.com wrote:
>
>> How can I stipulate an uncommon port for smtp sending.  My server uses
>> 8025 instead of the normal 25?
>
> I guess you look for (describe-variable 'smtpmail-smtp-service) <- C-x C-e here.

Hynek,
I'm really puzzled here... I used the above C-x C-e on this when you
originally posted it and it lead me to a customization to set the port
number.   

I'm now trying a different server and had forgotten the variable so
came back to this post.  Pressing C-x C-e on it now shows something
entirely different.
  
  smtpmail-smtp-service is void as a variable.
  
  Documentation:
  Not documented as a variable.
  
  [back]

=====================
What has happened?  Far as I know I've made no significant changes.
In fact I don't recal making any changes since using this last time.

Do you have an idea what might be going on, something not getting
loaded maybe or what?

And smtp send is still working on that odd port number.

Re: smtp send using odd port

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Feb 03 2006, Harry Putnam wrote:

>   smtpmail-smtp-service is void as a variable.
>
>   Documentation:
>   Not documented as a variable.

(require 'smtpmail)

Note that when using Emacs 21, you need a new version of `smtpmail.el'
which is available from Emacs CVS or Simon Josefsson's web site.
Simon, wouldn't it make sense to add `smtpmail.el' to Gnus' contrib
directory for convenience?

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: smtp send using odd port

[Harry Putnam]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Fri, Feb 03 2006, Harry Putnam wrote:
>
>>   smtpmail-smtp-service is void as a variable.
>>
>>   Documentation:
>>   Not documented as a variable.
>
> (require 'smtpmail)
>
> Note that when using Emacs 21, you need a new version of `smtpmail.el'
> which is available from Emacs CVS or Simon Josefsson's web site.
> Simon, wouldn't it make sense to add `smtpmail.el' to Gnus' contrib
> directory for convenience?

Well, I'm using the cvs version of emacs (22.0.50) so would have the
appropriate smtpmail.el already?

Further; shouldn't having smtpmail type directives in gnus mean this
gets loaded on gnus startup?

I have this in gnus:

(setq send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it) ; not for Gnus
(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it) ; for Gnus
(setq smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp.newsguy.com")
(setq user-mail-address "reader@newsguy.com") 
(setq user-full-name "Harry Putnam")
(setq smtpmail-local-domain "newsguy.com")
(setq smtpmail-sendto-domain "newsguy.com")
(setq smtpmail-debug-info t) ; only to debug problems
(setq smtpmail-debug-verb t) ; only to debug problems

So does that mean that smtpmail.el was loading?

The code above  was working when this suprising C-x C-e showed:
  smtpmail-smtp-service is void as a variable.

I had just sent mail and watched the smtp conversation happen.
Returned to Hyneck's message since I'd forgotten the proper
formulation. And as reported it showed the void thing.

Related: I see this phenomena:

I get the smtpmail-smtp-service is void report, but if I do
 Shft-ALT-:  on this:

   (setq smtpmail-smtp-service 8025)

Then when doing C-x C-e on:

  (describe-variable 'smtpmail-smtp-service)
I get the expected output:

  smtpmail-smtp-service is a variable defined in `smtpmail.el'.
Its value is 8025
[...]

Something seems askew in that.

Further, can I get the full smtp conversation some how.
Or is this the full conversation (^M 's removed)? I don't see any AUTH
happening.


220 newsguy.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.1/8.13.1; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:43:41 -0800 (PST)
EHLO localhost.newsguy.com
250-newsguy.com Hello adsl-68-74-146-31.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [68.74.146.31], pleased to meet you
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-PIPELINING
250-8BITMIME
250-SIZE 10000000
250-ETRN
250-DELIVERBY
250 HELP
MAIL FROM:<reader@newsguy.com> SIZE=313
250 2.1.0 <reader@newsguy.com>... Sender ok
RCPT TO:<reader@newsguy.com>
250 2.1.5 <reader@newsguy.com>... Recipient ok
DATA
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
From: Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com>
To: reader@newsguy.com
Subject: testing smtp send
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:43:42 -0600
Message-ID: <87k6ccmrj5.fsf@newsguy.com>
User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

test
.
250 2.0.0 k13EhfVO029591 Message accepted for delivery
QUIT
221 2.0.0 newsguy.com closing connectiony

Process SMTP deleted

Re: smtp send using odd port

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Feb 03 2006, Harry Putnam wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>> Note that when using Emacs 21, you need a new version of `smtpmail.el'
>> which is available from Emacs CVS or Simon Josefsson's web site.
>> Simon, wouldn't it make sense to add `smtpmail.el' to Gnus' contrib
>> directory for convenience?
>
> Well, I'm using the cvs version of emacs (22.0.50) so would have the
> appropriate smtpmail.el already?

Right.

> Further; shouldn't having smtpmail type directives in gnus mean this
> gets loaded on gnus startup?

The setq's don't load the library, but sending a mail should
(auto)load it.

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: smtp send using odd port

[Harry Putnam]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

>
>> Further; shouldn't having smtpmail type directives in gnus mean this
>> gets loaded on gnus startup?
>
> The setq's don't load the library, but sending a mail should
> (auto)load it.

Oh... I see, well it is possible that I had restarted gnus before
going to Hyneks message.... I'll test that... Thanks again

Re: smtp send using odd port

[Simon Josefsson]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Fri, Feb 03 2006, Harry Putnam wrote:
>
>>   smtpmail-smtp-service is void as a variable.
>>
>>   Documentation:
>>   Not documented as a variable.
>
> (require 'smtpmail)
>
> Note that when using Emacs 21, you need a new version of `smtpmail.el'
> which is available from Emacs CVS or Simon Josefsson's web site.
> Simon, wouldn't it make sense to add `smtpmail.el' to Gnus' contrib
> directory for convenience?

Yes, if someone can synchronize it from time to time.  I think it may
be a disservice if it gets out-dated.  You'll need sendmail.el for
smtpmail.el to work correctly too, IIRC.  Could the emacs <-> gnus
sync stuff handle this for us?

Syncing smtpmail.el and sendmail.el with Emacs (was: smtp send using odd port)

[Reiner Steib]

On Sun, Feb 05 2006, Simon Josefsson wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>> Note that when using Emacs 21, you need a new version of `smtpmail.el'
>> which is available from Emacs CVS or Simon Josefsson's web site.
>> Simon, wouldn't it make sense to add `smtpmail.el' to Gnus' contrib
>> directory for convenience?
>
> Yes, if someone can synchronize it from time to time.  I think it may
> be a disservice if it gets out-dated.  You'll need sendmail.el for
> smtpmail.el to work correctly too, IIRC.

One problem could be if sendmail.el or smtpmail.el get incompatible
with Emacs 21.

> Could the emacs <-> gnus sync stuff handle this for us?

Miles, WDYT?

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Re: Syncing smtpmail.el and sendmail.el with Emacs (was: smtp send using odd port)

[Miles Bader]

On 2/9/06, Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote:
> >> Simon, wouldn't it make sense to add `smtpmail.el' to Gnus' contrib
> >> directory for convenience?
>
> > Could the emacs <-> gnus sync stuff handle this for us?
>
> Miles, WDYT?

Sure.

-miles
--
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Re: Syncing smtpmail.el and sendmail.el with Emacs (was: smtp send using odd port)

[Miles Bader]

I wrote:
> On 2/9/06, Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote:
> > > Could the emacs <-> gnus sync stuff handle this for us?
> >
> > Miles, WDYT?
>
> Sure.

Btw, to expand on that a bit:  it will automatically synchronize any
files which have the same "identity", as given by the files' arch-tag:
lines (so if you copy a file from Emacs to Gnus, they will obviously
be the same by default).

It occurs to me that there are several files already in gnus which are
in this state, which I've been intentionally keeping _out_ of sync --
that is, when the file gets changed in emacs, I revert the changes
after they get synced to Gnus -- in particular, contrib/xml.el.  The
reason I've beend doing that is because I was afraid that the Emacs
version of xml.el relied on Emacs-22-only interfaces, so it would be
safer to keep the old version originally in the Gnus tree (xml.el was
in contrib before I started syncing).  However maybe somebody with
more knowledge of xml.el could look at the issue and see whether it
would be possible to have the up-to-date Emacs version in the Gnus
5.10 branch as well.

Thanks,

-Miles
--
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

Re: Syncing smtpmail.el and sendmail.el with Emacs

[Simon Josefsson]

Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:

> I wrote:
>> On 2/9/06, Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote:
>> > > Could the emacs <-> gnus sync stuff handle this for us?
>> >
>> > Miles, WDYT?
>>
>> Sure.
>
> Btw, to expand on that a bit:  it will automatically synchronize any
> files which have the same "identity", as given by the files' arch-tag:
> lines (so if you copy a file from Emacs to Gnus, they will obviously
> be the same by default).

Could you set up to sync contrib/sendmail.el and contrib/smtpmail.el
in Gnus from Emacs CVS?

Someone will have to test this combination on Emacs 21 too, so we are
sure the s???mail.el files aren't already Emacs 21 incompatible.  But
that will likely happen faster if we start to synchronize the files.

Thanks.

Re: Syncing smtpmail.el and sendmail.el with Emacs

[Miles Bader]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
> Could you set up to sync contrib/sendmail.el and contrib/smtpmail.el
> in Gnus from Emacs CVS?

Er, if you mean "Add these files to Gnus contrib/", sure I'll do that
(the sync happens automatically).

-Miles
-- 
`There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
 Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.'

Re: Syncing smtpmail.el and sendmail.el with Emacs

[Simon Josefsson]

Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:

> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
>> Could you set up to sync contrib/sendmail.el and contrib/smtpmail.el
>> in Gnus from Emacs CVS?
>
> Er, if you mean "Add these files to Gnus contrib/", sure I'll do that
> (the sync happens automatically).

Seem to be up and running now.  Thanks!

Re: Syncing smtpmail.el and sendmail.el with Emacs

[Simon Josefsson]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Sun, Feb 05 2006, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>
>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>>> Note that when using Emacs 21, you need a new version of `smtpmail.el'
>>> which is available from Emacs CVS or Simon Josefsson's web site.
>>> Simon, wouldn't it make sense to add `smtpmail.el' to Gnus' contrib
>>> directory for convenience?
>>
>> Yes, if someone can synchronize it from time to time.  I think it may
>> be a disservice if it gets out-dated.  You'll need sendmail.el for
>> smtpmail.el to work correctly too, IIRC.
>
> One problem could be if sendmail.el or smtpmail.el get incompatible
> with Emacs 21.

Right.  If it happens (or has already happened), someone would have to
maintain an Emacs 21 port of Emacs CVS sendmail.el + smtpmail.el in
Gnus contrib/.  I'm afraid I don't have time to do that.  If users
don't want to upgrade to Emacs CVS, they can install a local MTA that
supports authentication, as a workaround.