Gnus 5.7

Gnus 5.7

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

I've now made Gnus 5.7 (that's going into the Emacs 20.4 when I wake
up tomorrow) and put it at
<URL:http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/gnus.tar.gz>.  Could the Emacs
20.3 users please give it a quick whirl (with Emacs 20.3) to see
whether I've made any obvious goofs?  Tanx.

(Oh; 5.7 this is just Gnus 5.6.45 with some extra bits from the FSF.)

-- 
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  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Gnus 5.7

[John H Palmieri]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> I've now made Gnus 5.7 (that's going into the Emacs 20.4 when I wake
> up tomorrow) and put it at
> <URL:http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/gnus.tar.gz>.  Could the Emacs
> 20.3 users please give it a quick whirl (with Emacs 20.3) to see
> whether I've made any obvious goofs?  Tanx.

When I get this file and gunzip it, I get a directory called
gnus-5.6.46, and gnus-version is

Gnus v5.5; nntp 5.0; nnml 1.0; nnmh 1.0; nndoc 1.0; nndraft 1.0; nnfolder 1.0

If that's what you meant, then it seems to work fine.  I don't see
anything obviously wrong, except that %f doesn't work in
gnus-summary-line-format the way it does in pgnus.

(In my .gnus file, I have

(setq gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R%z%e%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20f%]%) %s
")

and with gnus 5.5, this produces format lines like

    [  61: *                   ] [Quest] Bug List update

All authors' names appear as *.  Replacing %f with %F does more or
less the right thing.)

-- 
John H. Palmieri                         palmieri.2@nd.edu
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Re: Gnus 5.7

[Bud Rogers]

Got a bunch of these.

While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.3/lisp/gnus-5.6.46/lisp/earcon.el:
  !! error (("Unknown keyword gnus-show-traditional-method"))

And this.

While compiling gnus-mule-message-send-mail-function:
  ** reference to free variable sendmail-coding-system
While compiling the end of the data:
  ** the function coding-system-p is not known to be defined.

When I try to enter an nnml group I get this.  I didn't think to try a news
group.

Signaling: (error "Unknown keyword gnus-show-traditional-method")
  signal(error ("Unknown keyword gnus-show-traditional-method"))
  cerror("Unknown keyword %s" gnus-show-traditional-method)
  apply(cerror ("Unknown keyword %s" gnus-show-traditional-method))
  error("Unknown keyword %s" gnus-show-traditional-method)
  custom-handle-keyword(gnus-show-traditional-method :version "20.3" custom-variable)
  custom-declare-variable(gnus-show-traditional-method (if (and (featurep ...) (boundp ...)) (lambda nil (if enable-multibyte-characters ...)) (lambda nil)) "Function to decode ``localized RFC 822 messages''.\nThe function is called from the article buffer." :group gnus-article-mime :type function :version "20.3")
  load-internal("gnus-art" nil nil nil nil nil)
  load("gnus-art" nil nil nil)
  gnus-hack-decode-rfc1522()
  run-hooks(gnus-hack-decode-rfc1522)
  apply(run-hooks gnus-hack-decode-rfc1522)
  gnus-run-hooks(gnus-parse-headers-hook)
  gnus-get-newsgroup-headers-xover((7887 7891) nil nil "nnml+private:mail.list.ding" t)
  gnus-select-newsgroup("nnml+private:mail.list.ding" nil nil)
  gnus-summary-read-group-1("nnml+private:mail.list.ding" nil t nil nil nil)
  gnus-summary-read-group("nnml+private:mail.list.ding" nil t nil nil nil nil)
  gnus-group-read-group(nil t)
  gnus-group-select-group(nil)
  call-interactively(gnus-group-select-group)


-- 

Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net>
http://www.sirinet.net/~budr/gnus.gif

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Bud Rogers]

...and when I went back to 5.4.44, a bunch of previously read mail in one
of my list groups re-appeared as unread.  Not sure if that means
anything...

-- 

Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net>
http://www.sirinet.net/~budr/gnus.gif

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

John H Palmieri <John.H.Palmieri.2@nd.edu> writes:

> When I get this file and gunzip it, I get a directory called
> gnus-5.6.46, and gnus-version is

I'm now making a new tarball with the right number...

> Gnus v5.5; nntp 5.0; nnml 1.0; nnmh 1.0; nndoc 1.0; nndraft 1.0; nnfolder 1.0

But this I don't understand.  The gnus-version-number in gnus.el seems 
to be 5.7 here...

> If that's what you meant, then it seems to work fine.  I don't see
> anything obviously wrong, except that %f doesn't work in
> gnus-summary-line-format the way it does in pgnus.

The %f spec doesn't exist in 5.7, so that's ok.

-- 
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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net> writes:

> While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.3/lisp/gnus-5.6.46/lisp/earcon.el:
>   !! error (("Unknown keyword gnus-show-traditional-method"))

This is with XEmacs 20.3, which Gnus 5.7 might not work under.  But
anyway, I don't understand this about "keyword"...  Uhm...  Perhaps
it's the :version thing?

I've now removed it.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Bud Rogers]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> This is with XEmacs 20.3, which Gnus 5.7 might not work under.

[...]

> I've now removed it.

OK.  Soon as I know you have a corrected version on the server I'll try
it. 

-- 

Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net>
http://www.sirinet.net/~budr/gnus.gif

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Bud Rogers]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> Odd-numbered Gnus releases, like Gnus 5.7, will not work with XEmacs.

Bummer.  Is this like a phase of the moon thing?  The tarball unravelled as 
5.4.46...

-- 

Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net>
http://www.sirinet.net/~budr/gnus.gif

Re: Gnus 5.7

[John H Palmieri]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> John H Palmieri <John.H.Palmieri.2@nd.edu> writes:
> 
> > When I get this file and gunzip it, I get a directory called
> > gnus-5.6.46, and gnus-version is
> 
> I'm now making a new tarball with the right number...
> 
> > Gnus v5.5; nntp 5.0; nnml 1.0; nnmh 1.0; nndoc 1.0; nndraft 1.0; nnfolder 1.0
> 
> But this I don't understand.  The gnus-version-number in gnus.el seems 
> to be 5.7 here...

Sorry, my fault, I was being silly--my load-path was wrong.  Now
gnus-version is 

  Gnus v5.7

as it should be, and everything seems to work fine.  Well, except for
things which shouldn't work (e.g., gnus-treat-display-xface has no
effect, which isn't a surprise, because the treatment stuff is all
new, right?), and things which probably shouldn't work, like the
things that pgnus puts in my .newsrc.eld that gnus 5.7 doesn't seem to
understand -- things like

  gnus-summary-from-or-to-or-newsgroups

-- 
John H. Palmieri                         palmieri.2@nd.edu

Just to have MORE FUN, I'll pretend I am JAMES CAGNEY and I am having
 a tense, UP-TIGHT EXPERIENCE!!

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net> writes:

> OK.  Soon as I know you have a corrected version on the server I'll try
> it. 

It should be up now.

-- 
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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

John H Palmieri <John.H.Palmieri.2@nd.edu> writes:

>   Gnus v5.7
> 
> as it should be, and everything seems to work fine.  Well, except for
> things which shouldn't work (e.g., gnus-treat-display-xface has no
> effect, which isn't a surprise, because the treatment stuff is all
> new, right?),

Yup.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Karel Sprenger]

Hi,

>>> On 19 Feb 1999 20:52:12 +0100, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (Lars) wrote:
Lars> 
Lars> I've now made Gnus 5.7 (that's going into the Emacs 20.4 when I wake
Lars> up tomorrow) and put it at
Lars> <URL:http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/gnus.tar.gz>.  Could the Emacs
Lars> 20.3 users please give it a quick whirl (with Emacs 20.3) to see
Lars> whether I've made any obvious goofs?  Tanx.
Lars> 

Just downloaded gnus.tar.gz and built it using make.bat (replaced 'call
%1\bin\emacs.bat' with plain 'emacs' as it is in my path). No problems except
that building the info files in texi hangs emacs as it always did (just ran
the two command in the Cygnus 20.1 bash shell and everything went fine).

Then renamed the old gnus directory to gnus-5.6, and the new gnus-5.7
directory to gnus and restarted emacs 20.3.1: simply read all this email about
gnus 5.7 and answered this one. Even reading the mail with epop3mail v 0.9.7
went great!

Cheers,
Karel

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Re: Gnus 5.7

[Bud Rogers]

Other than these it compiled cleanly and so far is working as expected.

While compiling gnus-mule-get-coding-system in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.3/lisp/gnus-5.7/lisp/gnus-mule.el:
  ** function gnus-mule-get-coding-system used to take 0+ arguments, now takes 1
While compiling gnus-mule-message-send-mail-function:
  ** reference to free variable sendmail-coding-system
While compiling the end of the data:
  ** the function coding-system-p is not known to be defined.
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.3/lisp/gnus-5.7/lisp/gnus-mule.elc

Given that this is Xemacs 20.3 sans MULE, this doesn't surprise me much.


While compiling message-fill-yanked-message in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.3/lisp/gnus-5.7/lisp/message.el:
  ** reference to free variable mail-citation-prefix-regexp
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.3/lisp/gnus-5.7/lisp/message.elc

This I don't know about.

Lars, would you prefer to have this kind of feedback as a direct reply, or
through the list?

-- 

Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net>
http://www.sirinet.net/~budr/gnus.gif

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net> writes:
> 
> > While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.3/lisp/gnus-5.6.46/lisp/earcon.el:
> >   !! error (("Unknown keyword gnus-show-traditional-method"))
> 
> This is with XEmacs 20.3, which Gnus 5.7 might not work under.

XEmacs 20.3 is almost exactly the same as 20.4.  20.4 was a bugfix
release in the true sense of the word.

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> * Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net> 19 Feb 1999 14:55:57 -0600
> | Got a bunch of these.
> 
> | While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.3/lisp/gnus-5.6.46/lisp/earcon.el:
> 
> Odd-numbered Gnus releases, like Gnus 5.7, will not work with
> XEmacs.

This is not true.  It might be that odd-numbered Gnusae are sometimes
not released outside FSF Emacs sources, but when they are, they work
with XEmacs.

For instance, Gnus 5.5 was exactly the same as Gnus 5.4.something, and
it worked in XEmacs just fine.

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net> writes:

> While compiling message-fill-yanked-message in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.3/lisp/gnus-5.7/lisp/message.el:
>   ** reference to free variable mail-citation-prefix-regexp
> Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-20.3/lisp/gnus-5.7/lisp/message.elc
> 
> This I don't know about.

Well, compilation warnings are to be expected.  What's important is
whether it works or not.  

I've now installed Gnus 5.7 on the FSF machines, and Richard says he's 
going to make an Emacs pretest later today, so I guess we'll see
whether I messed something up pretty soon.  :-)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Robert Bihlmeyer]

Hi,

>>>>> On 20 Feb 1999 00:31:21 +0100
>>>>> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> said:

 Hrvoje> This is not true. It might be that odd-numbered Gnusae are
 Hrvoje> sometimes not released outside FSF Emacs sources, but when
 Hrvoje> they are, they work with XEmacs.

Wasn't it the only "feature" of odd-numberd Gnusii that XEmacs support
was removed from them?

	Robbe

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Re: Gnus 5.7

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at> writes:

> >>>>> On 20 Feb 1999 00:31:21 +0100
> >>>>> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> said:
> 
>  Hrvoje> This is not true. It might be that odd-numbered Gnusae are
>  Hrvoje> sometimes not released outside FSF Emacs sources, but when
>  Hrvoje> they are, they work with XEmacs.
> 
> Wasn't it the only "feature" of odd-numberd Gnusii that XEmacs
> support was removed from them?

The version bundled with FSF, of course, doesn't support XEmacs.  But
those that have been released "properly" still retained everything.
Anyway, I haven't seen Gnus 5.7, so I have no idea what's in there.

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Dan Christensen]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> I've now installed Gnus 5.7 on the FSF machines, and Richard says he's 
> going to make an Emacs pretest later today, so I guess we'll see
> whether I messed something up pretty soon.  :-)

Is this early version of Emacs 20.4 available somewhere?

Dan

-- 
Dan Christensen
jdc@math.jhu.edu

Re: Gnus 5.7

[Per Abrahamsen]

Dan Christensen <jdc@chow.mat.jhu.edu> writes:

> Is this early version of Emacs 20.4 available somewhere?

Yes, to pretesters.  Write to rms@gnu.org to be added to the pretester
list.  RMS is not really into this baazar thing.