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* nnvirtual groups and article warping
@ 2022-03-03 16:54 Eric S Fraga
  2022-03-03 19:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2022-03-03 16:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

Hello all,

I use virtual groups to collect emails from a number of groups (all
nnml).  When reading the virtual group, there are times where I would
like to jump to the originating group.  In groups that are the result of
searches, I can do this with A W (gnus-warp-to-article).  Is the same
functionality available with an nnvirtual group?  (I haven't been able
to find it, if it exists.)

Thank you,
eric
-- 
Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-03 16:54 nnvirtual groups and article warping Eric S Fraga
@ 2022-03-03 19:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen
  2022-03-03 23:15   ` Andrew Cohen
  2022-03-04  8:01   ` Eric S Fraga
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-03 19:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> Hello all,
>
> I use virtual groups to collect emails from a number of groups (all
> nnml).  When reading the virtual group, there are times where I would
> like to jump to the originating group.  In groups that are the result of
> searches, I can do this with A W (gnus-warp-to-article).  Is the same
> functionality available with an nnvirtual group?  (I haven't been able
> to find it, if it exists.)

It doesn't exist, but it wouldn't be too hard to write.

Basically, nnvirtual would have to have a function called
`nnvirtual-warp-to-article', which did something like:

(let* ((gnus-override-method nil)
       (gnus-newsgroup-name
	(gnus-group-prefixed-name
	 (car (nnvirtual-map-article
	       (gnus-summary-article-number)))))
       (gnus-command-method
	(gnus-find-method-for-group gnus-newsgroup-name)))
  (when (gnus-check-backend-function
	 'warp-to-article (car gnus-command-method))
    (funcall (gnus-get-function gnus-command-method 'warp-to-article))))

The weird thing, poking into the code, is that no backends seem to
implement *-warp-to-article, except nnselect. Doesn't that seem weird?

So this function would instead have to do pretty much what
nnselect-warp-to-article does, namely:

(deffoo nnvirtual-warp-to-article ()
  (let* ((cur (if (> (gnus-summary-article-number) 0)
		  (gnus-summary-article-number)
		(error "Can't warp to a pseudo-article")))
	 (group-art (nnvirtual-map-article cur)))
    (gnus-summary-read-group-1 (car group-art) t t  nil
                               nil (list (cdr group-art)))))

Does that work?




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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-03 19:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2022-03-03 23:15   ` Andrew Cohen
  2022-03-04 17:28     ` Eric Abrahamsen
  2022-03-06 12:49     ` Eric S Fraga
  2022-03-04  8:01   ` Eric S Fraga
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cohen @ 2022-03-03 23:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

>>>>> "EA" == Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

    EA> Eric Abrahamsen writes

[...]

    EA> The weird thing, poking into the code, is that no backends seem
    EA> to implement *-warp-to-article, except nnselect. Doesn't that
    EA> seem weird?

Err, no? Aside from nnselect and nnvirtual, every article is already in
its original group so warping should be a no-op.

I added warping early on to nnir simply because nnir was completely
ephemeral: that is, no changes made would propagate back to the original
article (i.e. if you wanted to tick an article it wouldn't stick if you
did so after a search---warping was a hack to deal with that). Now that
nnselect does everything a regular backend does, there shouldn't be much
use for warping.

I never used nnvirtual so I never made changes for it.  I see no reason
NOT to add a warping for nnvirtual which should be straightforward (as
you describe below).  But I am curious what the use case is?  nnvirtual
already does (some) propagation back to the originating groups.

(BTW I think the stuff I posted some weeks ago does pretty well at
replacing nnvirtual in nnselect. I haven't tested it very much but if it
lacks something I can look into it).

    EA> So this function would instead have to do pretty much what
    EA> nnselect-warp-to-article does, namely:

    EA> (deffoo nnvirtual-warp-to-article () (let* ((cur (if (>
    EA> (gnus-summary-article-number) 0) (gnus-summary-article-number)
    EA> (error "Can't warp to a pseudo-article"))) (group-art
    EA> (nnvirtual-map-article cur))) (gnus-summary-read-group-1 (car
    EA> group-art) t t nil nil (list (cdr group-art)))))



-- 
Andrew Cohen



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-03 19:38 ` Eric Abrahamsen
  2022-03-03 23:15   ` Andrew Cohen
@ 2022-03-04  8:01   ` Eric S Fraga
  2022-03-04 15:45     ` Eric Abrahamsen
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2022-03-04  8:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

Hi Eric,

On Thursday,  3 Mar 2022 at 11:38, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
> So this function would instead have to do pretty much what
> nnselect-warp-to-article does, namely:
>
> (deffoo nnvirtual-warp-to-article ()
>   (let* ((cur (if (> (gnus-summary-article-number) 0)
> 		  (gnus-summary-article-number)
> 		(error "Can't warp to a pseudo-article")))
> 	 (group-art (nnvirtual-map-article cur)))
>     (gnus-summary-read-group-1 (car group-art) t t  nil
>                                nil (list (cdr group-art)))))
>
> Does that work?

Works very well.  And makes perfect sense.  Thank you!

-- 
Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-04  8:01   ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2022-03-04 15:45     ` Eric Abrahamsen
  2022-03-04 15:56       ` Eric S Fraga
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-04 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> Hi Eric,
>
> On Thursday,  3 Mar 2022 at 11:38, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>> So this function would instead have to do pretty much what
>> nnselect-warp-to-article does, namely:
>>
>> (deffoo nnvirtual-warp-to-article ()
>>   (let* ((cur (if (> (gnus-summary-article-number) 0)
>> 		  (gnus-summary-article-number)
>> 		(error "Can't warp to a pseudo-article")))
>> 	 (group-art (nnvirtual-map-article cur)))
>>     (gnus-summary-read-group-1 (car group-art) t t  nil
>>                                nil (list (cdr group-art)))))
>>
>> Does that work?
>
> Works very well.  And makes perfect sense.  Thank you!

Cool! I'll think about adding some more error checking and cleanups,
then push it in a few days.



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-04 15:45     ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2022-03-04 15:56       ` Eric S Fraga
  2022-03-04 17:16         ` Eric Abrahamsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2022-03-04 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

Hi Eric,

On Friday,  4 Mar 2022 at 07:45, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
> Cool! I'll think about adding some more error checking and cleanups,
> then push it in a few days.

Excellent!

Will it be possible to have A W invoke this function when in an
nnvirtual group?  I've currently bound it to something else in any case
(<) but it would make sense to have A W act the same in the various
groups.

Thanks again,
eric

-- 
Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-04 15:56       ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2022-03-04 17:16         ` Eric Abrahamsen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-04 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> Hi Eric,
>
> On Friday,  4 Mar 2022 at 07:45, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>> Cool! I'll think about adding some more error checking and cleanups,
>> then push it in a few days.
>
> Excellent!
>
> Will it be possible to have A W invoke this function when in an
> nnvirtual group?  I've currently bound it to something else in any case
> (<) but it would make sense to have A W act the same in the various
> groups.

"A W" is bound to `gnus-warp-to-article' in all Summary groups already,
it just usually doesn't do anything! It looks like warping was only ever
implemented for nnir search groups, which have now become nnselect
search groups.



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-03 23:15   ` Andrew Cohen
@ 2022-03-04 17:28     ` Eric Abrahamsen
  2022-03-05  3:02       ` Andrew Cohen
  2022-03-06 12:49     ` Eric S Fraga
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2022-03-04 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

Andrew Cohen <acohen@ust.hk> writes:

>>>>>> "EA" == Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>     EA> Eric Abrahamsen writes
>
> [...]
>
>     EA> The weird thing, poking into the code, is that no backends seem
>     EA> to implement *-warp-to-article, except nnselect. Doesn't that
>     EA> seem weird?
>
> Err, no? Aside from nnselect and nnvirtual, every article is already in
> its original group so warping should be a no-op.
>
> I added warping early on to nnir simply because nnir was completely
> ephemeral: that is, no changes made would propagate back to the original
> article (i.e. if you wanted to tick an article it wouldn't stick if you
> did so after a search---warping was a hack to deal with that). Now that
> nnselect does everything a regular backend does, there shouldn't be much
> use for warping.

I guess it just struck me as odd that there's a whole backend deffoo for
it, when it's only used in one place. Some of the earlier code commits
mention using it for nndoc, but it looks like that never happened.

> I never used nnvirtual so I never made changes for it.  I see no reason
> NOT to add a warping for nnvirtual which should be straightforward (as
> you describe below).  But I am curious what the use case is?  nnvirtual
> already does (some) propagation back to the originating groups.
>
> (BTW I think the stuff I posted some weeks ago does pretty well at
> replacing nnvirtual in nnselect. I haven't tested it very much but if it
> lacks something I can look into it).

I agree that there's less and less need for nnvirtual, but also that
there's no harm in adding an `nnvirtual-warp-to-article' deffoo, for
completeness' sake.

I was going to bring this up again, regarding full nnvirtual feature
coverage for nnselect: Eric F's original query was about using nnselect
exactly as nnvirtual is used: you add the component groups, put in *no*
specification about which articles to display, and then when you enter
the select group it simply shows you all articles from the component
groups.

(I've never looked closely at the nnvirtual code and I don't know how it
decides which articles to draw from which component groups. If none of
the groups have unread articles, and you request 100 articles from the
virtual group, how does it handle sorting and limiting?)

Anyway, I spent twenty minutes or so trying to come up with a
nnselect-spec that would do this, and failed. If you could point out how
we'd go about this, then I think we could say nnselect has a full
superset of nnvirtual functionality.

Eric



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-04 17:28     ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2022-03-05  3:02       ` Andrew Cohen
  2022-03-05  6:49         ` Andrew Cohen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cohen @ 2022-03-05  3:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

>>>>> "EA" == Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

    EA> Andrew Cohen <acohen@ust.hk> writes:
    >>>>>>> "EA" == Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
    >> 
    EA> Eric Abrahamsen writes
    >> 
    >> [...]
    >> 

[...]

    EA> I agree that there's less and less need for nnvirtual, but also
    EA> that there's no harm in adding an `nnvirtual-warp-to-article'
    EA> deffoo, for completeness' sake.

Totally agree.

    EA> I was going to bring this up again, regarding full nnvirtual
    EA> feature coverage for nnselect: Eric F's original query was about
    EA> using nnselect exactly as nnvirtual is used: you add the
    EA> component groups, put in *no* specification about which articles
    EA> to display, and then when you enter the select group it simply
    EA> shows you all articles from the component groups.

Err, if you mean this literally, then its just the function I have
posted several times before. Here it is again:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
  (defun my-test-virtual (groups)
    "Combine GROUPS into a virtual group.
      The nnvirtual backend has a complicated algorithm to interleave
      the articles from the component groups.  This function just
      concatenates them."
    (let ((rsv 1)
          list)
      (dolist (group groups)
        (pcase-let ((`(,min . ,max) (gnus-active group)))
          (push (list group (cons rsv (cons min max))) list)))
      list))
#+end_src

This will do what you say: entering the group will show you all the
unread articles from all the component groups. Or if you ask for ALL the
articles, it will show you all of them. If you ask for some subset
(e.g. with a prefix arg or setting a limit) it will show you that
too---just not evenly divided among the component groups. (In some
previous versions that I posted I set a limit argument, which ensured
that you always retrieved at least this many articles from each group.)

But you know this :) The issue is always how we decide to mix articles
from the different groups.

    EA> (I've never looked closely at the nnvirtual code and I don't
    EA> know how it decides which articles to draw from which component
    EA> groups. If none of the groups have unread articles, and you
    EA> request 100 articles from the virtual group, how does it handle
    EA> sorting and limiting?)

It uses a complicated algorithm to achieve what it describes as "fair
mixing" among the component groups. I have never had the patience to try
to understand it. And it seemed odd anyway---if one of the component
groups has had no new messages for years it would still be mixed in
equally. And it also favored groups with larger numbers of postings (I
think---my memory is fuzzy). 

    EA> Anyway, I spent twenty minutes or so trying to come up with a
    EA> nnselect-spec that would do this, and failed. If you could point
    EA> out how we'd go about this, then I think we could say nnselect
    EA> has a full superset of nnvirtual functionality.

Well, try the one above :) But you won't be totally happy.

I think I finally figured out how we can implement it---we can use the
RSV! (I know, ironic that in our last email exchange I was advocating
removing it :))

The issue is that, for lots of reasons, nnselect always collects
articles by group; so its a pain  to interleave articles. But we should be
able to do this rather easily using the RSV---we just have an algorithm
to assign RSVs based on something (maybe date? but really we could use
any algorithm we like) and then sort first by RSV, and secondly by group
(which I think is what nnselect does now anyway). I'll try to find a few
minutes to test this. In the meantime, Eric F.  can continue to use the
existing nnvirtual backend:)

Best,
Andy

-- 
Andrew Cohen



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-05  3:02       ` Andrew Cohen
@ 2022-03-05  6:49         ` Andrew Cohen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cohen @ 2022-03-05  6:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

>>>>> "AC" == Andrew Cohen <acohen@ust.hk> writes:

[...]

    AC> I think I finally figured out how we can implement it---we can
    AC> use the RSV! (I know, ironic that in our last email exchange I
    AC> was advocating removing it :))

Well what do you know, it works! It requires a small modification to the
artlist compression routine to prevent resorting by group, but that is
no problem.

So we just have to decide on the algorithm for mixing the groups and we
will have a full replacement for nnvirtual with nnselect. 

My access rights to the repository are in limbo right now (my copyright
assignment needs updating) so I can't push, but once that is sorted out
I'll update. 

-- 
Andrew Cohen



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-03 23:15   ` Andrew Cohen
  2022-03-04 17:28     ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2022-03-06 12:49     ` Eric S Fraga
  2022-03-06 13:04       ` Andrew Cohen
  2022-03-06 13:11       ` Andrew Cohen
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2022-03-06 12:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

On Friday,  4 Mar 2022 at 07:15, Andrew Cohen wrote:
> Now that nnselect does everything a regular backend does, there
> shouldn't be much use for warping.
[...]
> But I am curious what the use case is?  nnvirtual
> already does (some) propagation back to the originating groups.

The one reason I use warping is to then be able to ask for the thread of
messages for the given message.  I.e. I often do "A W" followed by
"A T".  Doing this within nnvirtual (or nnselect) groups does not do
anything.

-- 
Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-06 12:49     ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2022-03-06 13:04       ` Andrew Cohen
  2022-03-07 15:35         ` Eric S Fraga
  2022-03-06 13:11       ` Andrew Cohen
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cohen @ 2022-03-06 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

>>>>> "ESF" == Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

    ESF> On Friday,  4 Mar 2022 at 07:15, Andrew Cohen wrote:
    >> Now that nnselect does everything a regular backend does, there
    >> shouldn't be much use for warping.
    ESF> [...]
    >> But I am curious what the use case is?  nnvirtual already does
    >> (some) propagation back to the originating groups.

    ESF> The one reason I use warping is to then be able to ask for the
    ESF> thread of messages for the given message.  I.e. I often do "A
    ESF> W" followed by "A T".  Doing this within nnvirtual (or
    ESF> nnselect) groups does not do anything.

That is a bug (at least for nnselect). I use this constantly in nnselect
and it works fine. We should try to track this down; if I had to guess
it has something to do with the search engine you are using---I can't
recall but think it is notmuch?

Best,
Andy


-- 
Andrew Cohen



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-06 12:49     ` Eric S Fraga
  2022-03-06 13:04       ` Andrew Cohen
@ 2022-03-06 13:11       ` Andrew Cohen
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cohen @ 2022-03-06 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

>>>>> "ESF" == Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

    ESF> On Friday,  4 Mar 2022 at 07:15, Andrew Cohen wrote:
    >> Now that nnselect does everything a regular backend does, there
    >> shouldn't be much use for warping.
    ESF> [...]
    >> But I am curious what the use case is?  nnvirtual already does
    >> (some) propagation back to the originating groups.

    ESF> The one reason I use warping is to then be able to ask for the
    ESF> thread of messages for the given message.  I.e. I often do "A
    ESF> W" followed by "A T".  Doing this within nnvirtual (or
    ESF> nnselect) groups does not do anything.

I  looked back at some of your prior postings to confirm that you are
using notmuch. Eric A. found and fixed a serious bug in notmuch thread
searching a couple of weeks ago. This could likely be the cause of this
bug. 

-- 
Andrew Cohen



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-06 13:04       ` Andrew Cohen
@ 2022-03-07 15:35         ` Eric S Fraga
  2022-03-07 23:07           ` Andrew Cohen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2022-03-07 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

On Sunday,  6 Mar 2022 at 21:04, Andrew Cohen wrote:
> That is a bug (at least for nnselect). I use this constantly in nnselect
> and it works fine. We should try to track this down; if I had to guess
> it has something to do with the search engine you are using---I can't
> recall but think it is notmuch?

Sorry, maybe I confused things: A W works just fine with notmuch
searches and nnselect.  I was commenting on the need for A W for
nnvirtual groups to allow me to see a whole tread using A T (which
doesn't work in an nnvirtual group); the question I was answering was
what the use case for A W would be if marks etc. were all propagated
back to the actual groups.

-- 
Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-07 15:35         ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2022-03-07 23:07           ` Andrew Cohen
  2022-03-08  8:59             ` Eric S Fraga
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cohen @ 2022-03-07 23:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

>>>>> "ESF" == Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

    ESF> On Sunday,  6 Mar 2022 at 21:04, Andrew Cohen wrote:
    >> That is a bug (at least for nnselect). I use this constantly in
    >> nnselect and it works fine. We should try to track this down; if
    >> I had to guess it has something to do with the search engine you
    >> are using---I can't recall but think it is notmuch?

    ESF> Sorry, maybe I confused things: A W works just fine with
    ESF> notmuch searches and nnselect.  I was commenting on the need
    ESF> for A W for nnvirtual groups to allow me to see a whole tread
    ESF> using A T (which doesn't work in an nnvirtual group); the
    ESF> question I was answering was what the use case for A W would be
    ESF> if marks etc. were all propagated back to the actual groups.

Got it, thanks. So the use is to get the functionality of A T when using
nnvirtual, but not anything else. Thats good, since I think I have
solved the remaining issues with emulating nnvirtual with nnselect (in
which case A T works correctly). In the end its all pretty trivial
except for managing the combined group information (nnvirtual doesn't
store any of it, while nnselect does---the information is pretty large
because of the interleaving of groups and would cause the newsrc size to
balloon if we didn't do something; this is the only change needed to
nnselect to make it work).  My push rights are in limbo over copyright
confusion, but once that is settled I'll push it and get some
testing. It should work as an exact drop-in replacement, but we will see
if anything is missing. (And I still encourage the alternate paradigm I
previously pushed for, which I think would work much better for you :))

Best,
Andy
-- 
Andrew Cohen



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* Re: nnvirtual groups and article warping
  2022-03-07 23:07           ` Andrew Cohen
@ 2022-03-08  8:59             ` Eric S Fraga
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2022-03-08  8:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ding

On Tuesday,  8 Mar 2022 at 07:07, Andrew Cohen wrote:
> Got it, thanks. So the use is to get the functionality of A T when using
> nnvirtual, but not anything else. 

Yes, correct.

> My push rights are in limbo over copyright confusion,
> but once that is settled I'll push it and get some testing. 

And I will be happy to test.

Thank you,
eric

-- 
Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2



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