From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88758 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dick Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 15:48:16 -0400 Message-ID: <875zm1w8sf.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87o90mm4x2.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87blwmuh6j.fsf@dick.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87mug6klq3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87mug5bpuh.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87y2zojwbz.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <871rxggj9l.fsf@gmail.com> <87d0g9q44t.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87a7bdelf4.fsf@gmail.com> <87tv9lmhzt.fsf@bobnewell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="206925"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M36962@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Sep 09 21:49:09 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i7Pev-000rbc-5o for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 21:49:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1i7PeP-0003Tn-Hp; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:48:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1i7PeM-0003Qz-6O for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:48:34 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1i7PeL-0007em-1w for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:48:34 -0500 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226] helo=blaine.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i7PeH-0004GG-P5 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 21:48:31 +0200 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i7PeB-000qub-V8 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 21:48:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:HdI0DMWk1r7MZZTvVNT0krAPqEY= List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88758 Archived-At: BN> I suppose YMMV but I found it very useful The hard part is not the quirky UX which he calls the "essential 5%". The hard part is configuring Gnus to something usable, and that is completely glossed over. I'm typical of most newcomers who merely want their cloud service, i.e., Gmail, integrated into emacs. I couldn't find anything authoritative for this pedestrian task. I found nnimap without dovecot unusable. And I am wary of nnmaildir because I hesitate to do my own search indexing. BN> gnus is niche software. It shouldn't be for two reasons: 1) As the built-in client, it needs to work out of the box. Alas, it's not meeting the duties of the throne. Its recalcitrance towards new users is like Yahoo occupying Firefox's default search engine when Google is clearly superior. 2) It's awesome. While integration with emacs alone is worth the price of admission, Gnus bests other mua's because its message queue paradigm subsumes all my news, mail, and reddit activity in a single dashboard. As it stands, you *must* know elisp to be a day-to-day Gnus user, and I'm looking to change that.