From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/85318 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric S Fraga Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mutt/Gnus hybrid for mail? Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 10:46:34 +0000 Organization: CPSE, Department of Chemical Engineering, University College London (UCL) Message-ID: <8761dl3xth.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> References: <87egs952jy.fsf@micropit.roche-blanche.homenet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418122086 9411 80.91.229.3 (9 Dec 2014 10:48:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 10:48:06 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: ding-owner+M33562@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Dec 09 11:47:59 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XyIKl-0007wF-Fq for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:47:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1XyIJh-0003Gq-RF; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 04:46:53 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1XyIJg-0003Gg-5b for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 04:46:52 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XyIJe-00088L-Px for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 04:46:51 -0600 Original-Received: from mail-am1on0143.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([157.56.112.143] helo=emea01-am1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XyIJb-0006h3-70 for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:46:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (128.40.74.171) by DB3PR01MB0652.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com (25.160.50.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.31.17; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 10:46:36 +0000 X-Url: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucecesf/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org X-Originating-IP: [128.40.74.171] X-ClientProxiedBy: DB3PR05CA0026.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.41.154) To DB3PR01MB0652.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com (25.160.50.12) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DB3PR01MB0652; X-UCLLIVE-SCLRULE: HASRUN X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(601002);SRVR:DB3PR01MB0652; X-Forefront-PRVS: 0420213CCD X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(6069001)(24454002)(189002)(377424004)(199003)(86362001)(97736003)(64706001)(99396003)(77156002)(47776003)(92566001)(450100001)(19580395003)(76506005)(42186005)(48376002)(50466002)(46102003)(4396001)(122386002)(74482002)(31966008)(21056001)(62966003)(40100003)(20776003)(120916001)(66066001)(101416001)(76176999)(54356999)(50986999)(110136001)(106356001)(87976001)(107046002)(2351001)(105586002)(33646002)(68736005)(107886001);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:DB3PR01MB0652;H:localhost;FPR:;SPF:None;MLV:sfv;PTR:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:1;LANG:en; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DB3PR01MB0652; X-OriginatorOrg: ucl.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:85318 Archived-At: On Monday, 8 Dec 2014 at 17:47, Peter Davis wrote: [...] > Most significantly, since I only use mutt or gnus for email, I find mutt > more intuitive, since its commands, etc. were designed for email. "Delete" > instead of "Expire", etc. (BTW, I'm using both with Fastmail.fm IMAP.) As others have said, you can bind keys to whatever you want. For instance, #+begin_src emacs-lisp (defun esf/alter-summary-map () (local-set-key "d" 'gnus-summary-delete-article) (local-set-key "e" 'gnus-summary-mark-as-expirable) (local-set-key "u" 'gnus-summary-put-mark-as-unread) (local-set-key "w" 'gnus-article-fill-long-lines) ) (add-hook 'gnus-summary-mode-hook 'esf/alter-summary-map) #+end_src > Also, when I delete/expire a message, mutt automatically displays the > next unread message in the folder. Gnus requires another keystroke. (Not > a big deal, but annoying.) Gnus displays the next article for me if I am displaying an article and hit "n", " " or "e". Otherwise not. If I am not displaying an article, "n" and " " display the next article. > I have not managed to get gnus to display previously read messages in a > thread automatically, though I've messed around with > (setq gnus-fetch-old-headers t). I gather this is inconsistent on IMAP > servers, and slow. I use the agent and, in combination with settings gnus-fetch-old-headers to t, I get the ancestors of any email shown in the summary window. I don't know if the agent is key here but it probably helps with speed. > I realize I could customize gnus to behave exactly the way I want, but > I'm not a much of a lisper, so it would take me a fair bit of > effort. Anyway, customatizations are unlikely to improve > performance. Mutt seems faster at downloading messages, etc. Mutt *is* faster but *I* am faster with gnus than with mutt in terms of productivity. YMMV, of course :) I used mutt for years before switching to gnus maybe 8 years ago now and haven't looked back. HTH, eric -- : Eric S Fraga, GnuPG: 0xFFFCF67D : in Emacs 24.4.1 + Ma Gnus v0.12 + evil-git-d432ec2 : BBDB version 3.1.2 (2014-04-27 15:05:20 -0500)