From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/75679 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philipp Haselwarter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus faces Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:25:32 +0100 Message-ID: <8762tuzd6b.fsf@nzebook.haselwarter.org> References: <874o9f5qxo.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <877heb8dy6.fsf@member.fsf.org> <87tyher330.fsf@member.fsf.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294824364 24534 80.91.229.12 (12 Jan 2011 09:26:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:26:04 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M24030@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Jan 12 10:26:00 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcwxo-0002C8-4P for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:25:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcwxi-00035S-Gb; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:25:50 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcwxh-00035I-Dd for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:25:49 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcwxf-0001Ai-Rg for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:25:49 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcwxd-000128-LV for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:25:45 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcwxd-00026p-E8 for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:25:45 +0100 Original-Received: from mna75-3-89-83-43-131.dsl.club-internet.fr ([89.83.43.131]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:25:45 +0100 Original-Received: from philipp.haselwarter by mna75-3-89-83-43-131.dsl.club-internet.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:25:45 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mna75-3-89-83-43-131.dsl.club-internet.fr X-NSA-Fodder: JPL chameleon man Axis of Evil industrial espionage X-Tom-Swifty: "I just burned my hand in the blast furnace," Tom said, overwrought. User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:PPQZ1+4wkW9lma99pbKukTm2PF8= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:75679 Archived-At: "AS" == Andreas Schwab writes: AS> Tassilo Horn writes: >> Andreas Schwab writes: >> >>>> IMHO, I'd have an inheritance hierarchy with a top-level "abstract" >>>> (i.e., not really used face) gnus-group, that is specialized by >>>> emptyness, then backend, and finally by levels. (I think that in >>>> times of fast internet connections, the levels are the least >>>> important thing. >>> >>> Why do you think that levels have something to do with network >>> speed? >> >> Isn't that the intention of levels, like, fetch only my very >> important mailboxes, e.g., with a level of 1. AS> But what does this have to do with network speed? AS> Andreas. AS> -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA AS> 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something AS> completely different." I think the idea was 'everyone has fast internet nowadays so fetching only some groups (those with high levels) is obsolete/of little importance'. So the relevance of levels does have to do with network speed. However, I disagree, as I'm *not* always on a fast network and especially because levels help to address _server side_ network speed issues. And those are still really bad especially for some news servers. -- Philipp Haselwarter