From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/63942 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Zlatko Calusic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 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Tibbitts, III's message of "09 Nov 2006 09:44:13 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:63942 Archived-At: Jason L Tibbitts III writes: >>>>>> "ZC" == Zlatko Calusic writes: > > ZC> This list has recently lost all headers which we could use to > ZC> split it properly. > > All of that effort to complain, and yet no effort to complain to the > proper place? You should always contact the list owner about such > things. True, I'm guilty as charged. ;) Somehow, I always presume that list owner must be on the list, but of course it's not always true. Not even common these days. > And, of course, depending on something nonstandard like > Sender: isn't really the best thing. In the past I always used the > Envelope sender for that purpose, but there's still no guarantee that > won't change. (Messages from this list should appear with variable > envelope senders, but you can still pattern match.) > > Fortunately there's a standard header for these things. I have added > a List-ID: header for you to filter on. (Sorry if a couple of > messages went out with the header showing "lists.math.uh.edu" instead > of "gnus.org".) > While I don't see that header yet (for example in your message), of course it's everything I asked for. There's nothing special in Sender: header. Actually, you can use whatever header you want, it's just my opinion that one such header MUST exist. Otherwise it's hard and error prone to split mailing lists. I don't like spliting emails on headers that are not primarily for that purpose (To, From, Received, Subject...). It's asking for trouble. For example, my split rules are full of different headers for different mailing lists, I don't care, all of them work well, it's just that ding list lost the last such header without warning and mails started mixing with private/business mail. Thankfully this list is not high traffic, so it wasn't such a big problem, but when that happens to high volume lists like linux-kernel and you're on a 2 day vacation... you know what happens. ;) Example headers from my nnmail-split-fancy: x-beenthere (mailman lists) x-mailing-list sender Thank you! -- Zlatko