* Please, we need a header back, soon! @ 2006-11-08 15:10 Zlatko Calusic 2006-11-08 15:30 ` Nedko Arnaudov ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Zlatko Calusic @ 2006-11-08 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw) This list has recently lost all headers which we could use to split it properly. It had "Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu", but now it's gone and mails from the list are mixed with my private emails. Is this of temporary nature (some fix underway) or am I being pushed off the list? ;) And no, I refuse to split on the contents of To & Cc headers, that's imprecise, I never liked doing that. Thanks for any help. -- Zlatko ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-08 15:10 Please, we need a header back, soon! Zlatko Calusic @ 2006-11-08 15:30 ` Nedko Arnaudov 2006-11-08 22:33 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2006-11-08 16:27 ` Reiner Steib 2006-11-09 15:44 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Nedko Arnaudov @ 2006-11-08 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 552 bytes --] Zlatko Calusic <zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr> writes: > This list has recently lost all headers which we could use to split it > properly. It had "Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu", but now it's > gone and mails from the list are mixed with my private emails. Is this > of temporary nature (some fix underway) or am I being pushed off the > list? ;) > > And no, I refuse to split on the contents of To & Cc headers, that's > imprecise, I never liked doing that. Yes, please, get header back! -- Nedko Arnaudov <GnuPG KeyID: DE1716B0> [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 188 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-08 15:30 ` Nedko Arnaudov @ 2006-11-08 22:33 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2006-11-09 7:18 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2006-11-08 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> In <874pta3qhp.fsf@arnaudov.name> Nedko Arnaudov wrote: > Yes, please, get header back! I'm now using the following element in `nnmail-split-fancy'. ("received" "for <?ding@\\(?:gnus\\.org\\|lists\\.math\\.uh\\.edu\\)" "ding") This seems to be going well so far, but of course it is much better there is a unique header. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-08 22:33 ` Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2006-11-09 7:18 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2006-11-09 7:18 UTC (permalink / raw) And of course, all being Gnus users, `G m nntp RET gmane.emacs.gnus.general RET news.gmane.org RET' from the Group buffer, is an alternative. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-08 15:10 Please, we need a header back, soon! Zlatko Calusic 2006-11-08 15:30 ` Nedko Arnaudov @ 2006-11-08 16:27 ` Reiner Steib 2006-11-09 15:44 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2006-11-08 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, Nov 08 2006, Zlatko Calusic wrote: > This list has recently lost all headers which we could use to split it > properly. It had "Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu", but now it's > gone [...] None of the members of this list o readers of gmane.emacs.gnus.general can do anything about the mailing list setup so there's not much point in complainig on the list. Please write to the list owner. The address above looks promising. Else, try to write to Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs [at] math.uh.edu>. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-08 15:10 Please, we need a header back, soon! Zlatko Calusic 2006-11-08 15:30 ` Nedko Arnaudov 2006-11-08 16:27 ` Reiner Steib @ 2006-11-09 15:44 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 2006-11-09 15:56 ` Zlatko Calusic 2006-11-21 9:31 ` Didier Verna 2 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Jason L Tibbitts III @ 2006-11-09 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> "ZC" == Zlatko Calusic <zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr> writes: ZC> This list has recently lost all headers which we could use to ZC> split it properly. All of that effort to complain, and yet no effort to complain to the proper place? You should always contact the list owner about such things. And, of course, depending on something nonstandard like Sender: isn't really the best thing. In the past I always used the Envelope sender for that purpose, but there's still no guarantee that won't change. (Messages from this list should appear with variable envelope senders, but you can still pattern match.) Fortunately there's a standard header for these things. I have added a List-ID: header for you to filter on. (Sorry if a couple of messages went out with the header showing "lists.math.uh.edu" instead of "gnus.org".) - J< ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-09 15:44 ` Jason L Tibbitts III @ 2006-11-09 15:56 ` Zlatko Calusic 2006-11-09 16:00 ` Zlatko Calusic 2006-11-09 16:02 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 2006-11-21 9:31 ` Didier Verna 1 sibling, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Zlatko Calusic @ 2006-11-09 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@math.uh.edu> writes: >>>>>> "ZC" == Zlatko Calusic <zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr> writes: > > ZC> This list has recently lost all headers which we could use to > ZC> split it properly. > > All of that effort to complain, and yet no effort to complain to the > proper place? You should always contact the list owner about such > things. True, I'm guilty as charged. ;) Somehow, I always presume that list owner must be on the list, but of course it's not always true. Not even common these days. > And, of course, depending on something nonstandard like > Sender: isn't really the best thing. In the past I always used the > Envelope sender for that purpose, but there's still no guarantee that > won't change. (Messages from this list should appear with variable > envelope senders, but you can still pattern match.) > > Fortunately there's a standard header for these things. I have added > a List-ID: header for you to filter on. (Sorry if a couple of > messages went out with the header showing "lists.math.uh.edu" instead > of "gnus.org".) > While I don't see that header yet (for example in your message), of course it's everything I asked for. There's nothing special in Sender: header. Actually, you can use whatever header you want, it's just my opinion that one such header MUST exist. Otherwise it's hard and error prone to split mailing lists. I don't like spliting emails on headers that are not primarily for that purpose (To, From, Received, Subject...). It's asking for trouble. For example, my split rules are full of different headers for different mailing lists, I don't care, all of them work well, it's just that ding list lost the last such header without warning and mails started mixing with private/business mail. Thankfully this list is not high traffic, so it wasn't such a big problem, but when that happens to high volume lists like linux-kernel and you're on a 2 day vacation... you know what happens. ;) Example headers from my nnmail-split-fancy: x-beenthere (mailman lists) x-mailing-list sender Thank you! -- Zlatko ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-09 15:56 ` Zlatko Calusic @ 2006-11-09 16:00 ` Zlatko Calusic 2006-11-09 16:02 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Zlatko Calusic @ 2006-11-09 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Zlatko Calusic <zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr> writes: > While I don't see that header yet (for example in your message), of Correction, another (same, actually) mail came through the list while I was typing, and it has the much needed header, so everything is ok now. Thank you again. See, writing to the list actually worked. ;) > Example headers from my nnmail-split-fancy: > > x-beenthere (mailman lists) > x-mailing-list > sender ...and found two more in the mean time... mailing-list list-id ;) Regards, -- Zlatko ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-09 15:56 ` Zlatko Calusic 2006-11-09 16:00 ` Zlatko Calusic @ 2006-11-09 16:02 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 2006-11-09 16:10 ` Zlatko Calusic 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Jason L Tibbitts III @ 2006-11-09 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> "ZC" == Zlatko Calusic <zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr> writes: ZC> Somehow, I always presume that list owner must be on the list, but ZC> of course it's not always true. Not even common these days. I am on the list, but I don't necessarily read it every day. I read owner mail several times daily. ZC> While I don't see that header yet (for example in your message), Of course you won't see that header if you're reading the CC I sent you, since the message didn't go through the list. ZC> Actually, you can use whatever header you want, it's just my ZC> opinion that one such header MUST exist. Obviously the envelope sender has to exist and be somewhat stable; otherwise the list would never receive bounces. So you can always filter on that, regardless of what headers may or may not be added by the mailing list software. - J< ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-09 16:02 ` Jason L Tibbitts III @ 2006-11-09 16:10 ` Zlatko Calusic 2006-11-09 16:33 ` John A. Martin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Zlatko Calusic @ 2006-11-09 16:10 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@math.uh.edu> writes: >>>>>> "ZC" == Zlatko Calusic <zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr> writes: > > ZC> Somehow, I always presume that list owner must be on the list, but > ZC> of course it's not always true. Not even common these days. > > I am on the list, but I don't necessarily read it every day. I read > owner mail several times daily. Sure. > > ZC> While I don't see that header yet (for example in your message), > > Of course you won't see that header if you're reading the CC I sent > you, since the message didn't go through the list. Yes, that one has also been resolved. > > ZC> Actually, you can use whatever header you want, it's just my > ZC> opinion that one such header MUST exist. > > Obviously the envelope sender has to exist and be somewhat stable; > otherwise the list would never receive bounces. So you can always > filter on that, regardless of what headers may or may not be added by > the mailing list software. > I don't know why, but I don't like that one either. I'm beggining to see the pattern here. ;) Let me then explain my opinions, mailing lists are some kind of entities for me, entities that could be described with few characters or words. For example one line "List-Header: I'm ding, I rule the world!". Then, when you have such a line (and keep it with the list at all times) you can do whatever you want to the list, you can easily relocate it, move it to the other domain etc... it's the SAME list although you've just changed envelope from, received, sender, to, cc and who knows what other headers. But my splitting keeps working. ;) Yes, it's too much philosophy for today. :) -- Zlatko ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-09 16:10 ` Zlatko Calusic @ 2006-11-09 16:33 ` John A. Martin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: John A. Martin @ 2006-11-09 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 300 bytes --] >>>>> "Zlatko" == Zlatko Calusic >>>>> "Re: Please, we need a header back, soon!" >>>>> Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:10:51 +0100 Zlatko> Yes, it's too much philosophy for today. :) -- Zlatko No philosophy needed. Instead please see <ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2919.txt> . HTH jam [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 154 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-09 15:44 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 2006-11-09 15:56 ` Zlatko Calusic @ 2006-11-21 9:31 ` Didier Verna 2006-11-21 15:13 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Didier Verna @ 2006-11-21 9:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding [I'm still Cc'ing the list because of potential interest for other readers] Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@math.uh.edu> wrote: > Fortunately there's a standard header for these things. I have added a > List-ID: header for you to filter on. (Sorry if a couple of messages went > out with the header showing "lists.math.uh.edu" instead of "gnus.org".) Hello, thank you for the list-id header. I don't know anything about the standard regarding this header, but does it specify the format of the header value ? Currently, it is <ding.gnus.org>. If possible, I would have preferred ding@gnus.org as it reflects the exact mailing-list address. But maybe I'm asking for something against the standard specification... -- Check out my new jazz CD on http://www.didierverna.com/ ! Didier Verna EPITA / LRDE, 14-16 rue Voltaire Tel.+33 (1) 44 08 01 85 94276 Le Kremlin-Bicêtre, France Fax.+33 (1) 53 14 59 22 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Please, we need a header back, soon! 2006-11-21 9:31 ` Didier Verna @ 2006-11-21 15:13 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Jason L Tibbitts III @ 2006-11-21 15:13 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "dvl" == Didier Verna <didier@lrde.epita.fr> writes: dvl> Currently, it is <ding.gnus.org>. As required by the standard: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2919.txt - J< ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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