From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57230 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steinar Bang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: mx.gnus.org being very strict Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 09:38:38 +0200 Organization: Probably a good idea Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: <8765ba0zup.fsf@dod.no> References: <87ad0p4p57.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <20040503192543.GB21891@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083829166 19807 80.91.224.253 (6 May 2004 07:39:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 07:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5770@lists.math.uh.edu Thu May 06 09:39:17 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BLdTR-0004O8-00 for ; Thu, 06 May 2004 09:39:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BLdSz-0007Me-00; Thu, 06 May 2004 02:38:49 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BLdSv-0007MZ-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 06 May 2004 02:38:45 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BLdSu-0006zS-QW for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 06 May 2004 02:38:44 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24793A003D for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 02:38:41 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BLdSr-0000GW-00 for ; Thu, 06 May 2004 09:38:41 +0200 Original-Received: from 2k37dm1.cm.chello.no ([80.111.85.245]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 06 May 2004 09:38:41 +0200 Original-Received: from sb by 2k37dm1.cm.chello.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 06 May 2004 09:38:41 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 2k37dm1.cm.chello.no Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Common Lisp, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ClKjRZbfKABmjFd/FO8Bn0LAgPk= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57230 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57230 >>>>> Matthias Andree : > Per Abrahamsen writes: >> Yes. Gateways should just pass bytes along, not try to be smart >> about it. [snip!] >> This being the polite interpretation. Ask Dan Bernstein for the >> unsweetened version. > DJB is not a reference, NIMBY (not in my back yard) principle WRT > security and fixes and apologies to the own users, deliberate > standard violation, this doesn't at all help his reputation. While I do not always agree with Dan Bernstein (or with Per, for that matter), I have to say I do in this case. Though I do not agree about the incompetence of the mail standardization guys, mentioned in the part that was snipped away. This goes back to the summer of 1993 when I read the MIME standard, and started using quoted-printable in emails, on an infrastructure that consisted of sendmails universally patched to do just-send-8, and a silently agreement that the charset used should be latin-1. Suffice to say the feedback I got from people receiving quoted-unreadable was so _universally_ negative, that I quickly stopped doing it. In the eyes of others, things just worked, and I broke them. So one thing I never would do, would be to set up an MTA to reject messages that has 8 bit, but no MIME. I can't imaging what kind of standards-obsessed narrowmindedness would make anyone do so. Wouldn't it be better to take that MX out of the gnus.org zone altogether?