From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46083 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steinar Bang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:23:06 +0200 Organization: Probably a good idea Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <8765yjt6dh.fsf@doohan.bang.priv.no> References: <87y9brejam.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <873ctztyth.fsf@mail.paradoxical.net> <20020801222925.A10502@mastaler.com> <02Aug5.143835edt.119445@gateway.intersystems.com> <02Aug5.174118edt.119294@gateway.intersystems.com> <874re5wvrc.fsf@home.lan> <877kj11ctx.fsf@naz.lickey.com> <87u1m5w14y.fsf@doohan.bang.priv.no> <87bs8bygij.fsf@naz.lickey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028971563 21764 127.0.0.1 (10 Aug 2002 09:26:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17dSVV-0005ef-00 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:26:01 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17dSTD-0000PL-00; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 04:23:39 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 10 Aug 2002 04:24:07 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA01237 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 04:23:49 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 10567 invoked by alias); 10 Aug 2002 09:23:10 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 10562 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 09:23:09 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (80.91.224.244) by gnus.org with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 09:23:09 -0000 Original-Received: from news by quimby.gnus.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17dSor-0008Un-00 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:46:01 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-Lines: 34 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: b48sfn.cm.chello.no Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1028972761 32660 213.46.211.96 (10 Aug 2002 09:46:01 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 2002 09:46:01 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) XEmacs/21.4 (Common Lisp, i386-debian-linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:D5Ov+Ob+yZHsCmrRF2UVvzidj8M= Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46083 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46083 >>>>> Matt Armstrong : >> The envelope sender in question, was the default envelope >> configuraton for exim in debian woody. AFAIR it was the same as >> the default envelope in SuSE 6.2, ie. username@FQDN. >> Some people would debate that this is the correct value for the >> envelope sender. > I assumed the envelope sender you were using wasn't actually > reaching you. Well, I don't count myself among "some people"...:-) But for one of my machines, username@FQDN will reach me, only to be filtered into my SPAM folder. For my laptop nomade machine, username@FQDN is almost never correct. But I've changed the envelope on outgoing messages now. The only emails I get to the envelope address, are billware users that put me in their address books with this address. > If so, I'd call that a configuration error. I think it is > reasonable to expect the envelope sender to be valid -- the SMTP > bounce and delivery status mechanisms depend on it. I tend to agree on that, but the only workaround that suits my setup (multiple mail drops, where I have no personal control over the MTAs), was to make the envelope address be the same as the From field. I don't know if this is the correct behaviour, but it is the most correct behaviour I have been able to think of. I guess this is the same behaviour as mail programs on Win32, that sends their mail through an SMTP server, gets?