* Unpleasant catch 22 @ 2020-09-23 23:03 Harry 2020-09-23 23:10 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Harry @ 2020-09-23 23:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding I get an error when starting gnus and after it begins mail/news scan ... it ends in Authorization Rejected. So apparently a password not working for on reason or another. However there is no indication of which password. So normally I would start gnus and look in the server buffer. However starting gnus results in news scan and the same Authorization message... Gnus never finishes its startup. OK, I thought, I'll start` gnus-no-server' but I'll be darned if that doesn't go to a news scan too. ( Why would there be a scan if there are no servers?) (And by the way gnus is running with `debug on error' and `debug on quit' engaged) At least the ending during `gnus-no-server' startup is not about Authorization but appearantly, after a very lengthy (more than 15 minutes) I finally hit Ctrl-g. No Backtrace is generated it simiply says `quit' I guess a couple of things are raised with this behavior but can someone at least tell me how to get a gnus interface without any news/mail scanning so I can do other chks? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Unpleasant catch 22 2020-09-23 23:03 Unpleasant catch 22 Harry @ 2020-09-23 23:10 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2020-09-24 0:36 ` Harry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-09-23 23:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Harry <reader@newsguy.com> writes: > I get an error when starting gnus and after it begins mail/news scan > ... it ends in Authorization Rejected. So apparently a password not > working for on reason or another. However there is no indication of > which password. So normally I would start gnus and look in the server > buffer. However starting gnus results in news scan and the same > Authorization message... Gnus never finishes its startup. > > OK, I thought, I'll start` gnus-no-server' but I'll be darned if that > doesn't go to a news scan too. ( Why would there be a scan if there > are no servers?) > > (And by the way gnus is running with `debug on error' and `debug on > quit' engaged) > > At least the ending during `gnus-no-server' startup is not about > Authorization but appearantly, after a very lengthy (more than 15 > minutes) I finally hit Ctrl-g. No Backtrace is generated it simiply > says `quit' > > I guess a couple of things are raised with this behavior but can > someone at least tell me how to get a gnus interface without any > news/mail scanning so I can do other chks? Try `gnus-unplugged'? That might depend on what you've got agentized, though. Let us know what servers you have configured, and which require authorization? And did this problem start after some change? After an Emacs update? Out of the blue? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Unpleasant catch 22 2020-09-23 23:10 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-09-24 0:36 ` Harry 2020-09-24 1:01 ` 黃炳熙 2020-09-24 4:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Harry @ 2020-09-24 0:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:10:35 -0700, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: >Harry <reader@newsguy.com> writes: > >> I get an error when starting gnus and after it begins mail/news scan >> ... it ends in Authorization Rejected. So apparently a password not >> working for on reason or another. However there is no indication of >> which password. So normally I would start gnus and look in the server >> buffer. However starting gnus results in news scan and the same >> Authorization message... Gnus never finishes its startup. >> >> OK, I thought, I'll start` gnus-no-server' but I'll be darned if that >> doesn't go to a news scan too. ( Why would there be a scan if there >> are no servers?) >> >> (And by the way gnus is running with `debug on error' and `debug on >> quit' engaged) >> >> At least the ending during `gnus-no-server' startup is not about >> Authorization but appearantly, after a very lengthy (more than 15 >> minutes) I finally hit Ctrl-g. No Backtrace is generated it simiply >> says `quit' >> >> I guess a couple of things are raised with this behavior but can >> someone at least tell me how to get a gnus interface without any >> news/mail scanning so I can do other chks? > >Try `gnus-unplugged'? That might depend on what you've got agentized, >though. > >Let us know what servers you have configured, and which require >authorization? And did this problem start after some change? After an >Emacs update? Out of the blue? > gnus-unplugged brings the Authorization error too. You didn't mention if `gnus-no-server' is expected to scan for mail/news and if so, what is the point since no servers are supposed to be engaged. I seem to recall long ago using that call to get into gnus when there was a server problem. (I think probably yrs ago since I had reason to use it) Far as what has changed: I think I know the source of this problem. I attempted to change passwd at forteinc news server ... there method involves them sending a temp passwd that you are supposed to use within an hour. When I tried to use it I lost contact with the server ...(this was in a webpage) and eventually the temp passwd ran out and now do not have use of the old passwd or the tmp one. I've emailed them but have yet to hear back. But, of course, if I could get a gnus interface I could just ditch that server and get on with business. So I'm thinking the real problem is that gnus seems to not have any way to allow that. Still not getting why gnus-no-server does a mail/news scan... which of course means I cannot get gnus started Servers: gmane.io (no uid or passwd) enews.newsguy.com (uid - passwd) Newsguy mail server (uid - passwd) news.forteinc.com (uid - passwd) [one with passwd problem] Several imap servers that rely on uid - passwd 3 gmail imaps - 1 fastmail.com imap ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Unpleasant catch 22 2020-09-24 0:36 ` Harry @ 2020-09-24 1:01 ` 黃炳熙 2020-09-24 4:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: 黃炳熙 @ 2020-09-24 1:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Gnus > Servers: > gmane.io (no uid or passwd) > enews.newsguy.com (uid - passwd) > Newsguy mail server (uid - passwd) > > news.forteinc.com (uid - passwd) [one with passwd problem] > > Several imap servers that rely on uid - passwd > 3 gmail imaps - 1 fastmail.com imap Still i don't know what your problem is. However let me say foolish and simple way. Just removing ~/.news* files... Sometimes when my Gnus was odd, i had to try that way. #+BEGIN_SRC text: with shell command + text In first, Gnus and Emacs all stoping. $ mkdir -p ~/bak $ mv -f ~/.news* ~/bak ===> then you do Gnus start !!! #+END_SRC Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _白衣從軍_ 감사합니다_^))// ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Unpleasant catch 22 2020-09-24 0:36 ` Harry 2020-09-24 1:01 ` 黃炳熙 @ 2020-09-24 4:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2020-09-24 4:32 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2020-09-24 21:27 ` Harry Putnam 1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-09-24 4:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Harry <reader@newsguy.com> writes: > On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:10:35 -0700, Eric Abrahamsen > <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > >>Harry <reader@newsguy.com> writes: >> >>> I get an error when starting gnus and after it begins mail/news scan >>> ... it ends in Authorization Rejected. So apparently a password not >>> working for on reason or another. However there is no indication of >>> which password. So normally I would start gnus and look in the server >>> buffer. However starting gnus results in news scan and the same >>> Authorization message... Gnus never finishes its startup. >>> >>> OK, I thought, I'll start` gnus-no-server' but I'll be darned if that >>> doesn't go to a news scan too. ( Why would there be a scan if there >>> are no servers?) >>> >>> (And by the way gnus is running with `debug on error' and `debug on >>> quit' engaged) >>> >>> At least the ending during `gnus-no-server' startup is not about >>> Authorization but appearantly, after a very lengthy (more than 15 >>> minutes) I finally hit Ctrl-g. No Backtrace is generated it simiply >>> says `quit' >>> >>> I guess a couple of things are raised with this behavior but can >>> someone at least tell me how to get a gnus interface without any >>> news/mail scanning so I can do other chks? >> >>Try `gnus-unplugged'? That might depend on what you've got agentized, >>though. >> >>Let us know what servers you have configured, and which require >>authorization? And did this problem start after some change? After an >>Emacs update? Out of the blue? >> > > gnus-unplugged brings the Authorization error too. > > You didn't mention if `gnus-no-server' is expected to scan for > mail/news and if so, what is the point since no servers are supposed > to be engaged. I don't really know what's supposed to happen. The docs say that `gnus-no-server': will not attempt to contact your primary server—instead, it will just activate all groups on level 1 and 2. (You should preferably keep no native groups on those two levels.) So far as I can tell, calling `gnus-no-server' skips the initial connection to `gnus-start-news-server' (which only starts `gnus-select-method'), but then later on connects to it anyway, during `gnus-get-unread-articles'. Essentially, `gnus-no-server' seems to be functionally equivalent to starting Gnus normally, but only activating groups at levels 1 and 2. One hacky solution to getting a working Gnus might be to shut it down, and doctor your .newsrc.eld file so that all groups belonging to the offending server are at level 3 or higher. Of course, for that matter, if you know what the lowest level is of all the groups belonging to that server, you could just call `gnus' with a numeric prefix arg of that level or lower, and Gnus shouldn't attempt to contact the server. This is separate from the fact that authentication failure of any server shouldn't hang the whole startup process. Is the bum authentication information for this server stored in ~/.authinfo{.gpg}? If it is, and you delete the corresponding line, does Gnus prompt you anew for a password to use? Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Unpleasant catch 22 2020-09-24 4:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-09-24 4:32 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2020-09-24 21:27 ` Harry Putnam 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-09-24 4:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: [...] > So far as I can tell, calling `gnus-no-server' skips the initial > connection to `gnus-start-news-server' (which only starts > `gnus-select-method'), but then later on connects to it anyway, during > `gnus-get-unread-articles'. You probably figured this out, but this should have said "skips initial connection to `gnus-select-method'". > Of course, for that matter, if you know what the lowest level is of > all the groups belonging to that server, you could just call `gnus' > with a numeric prefix arg of that level or lower Only lower! Not that level. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Unpleasant catch 22 2020-09-24 4:11 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2020-09-24 4:32 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-09-24 21:27 ` Harry Putnam 2020-09-25 1:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 2020-09-24 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: [...] First let me say that problem is fixed by finally getting a working password in place for news.forteinc. So once again I'm able to enter a gnus interface on startup. For future reference, one thing I'm curious about... is there a way to tell gnus NOT to scan for news/mail on startup. At least then in the event of some kind of server snafu at least one could start gnus and take care of server problems. >> You didn't mention if `gnus-no-server' is expected to scan for >> mail/news and if so, what is the point since no servers are supposed >> to be engaged. > [...] > So far as I can tell, calling `gnus-no-server' skips the initial > connection to `gnus-start-news-server' (which only starts > `gnus-select-method'), but then later on connects to it anyway, during > `gnus-get-unread-articles'. Essentially, `gnus-no-server' seems to be > functionally equivalent to starting Gnus normally, but only activating > groups at levels 1 and 2. Thanks; so not much use apparently. [...] > This is separate from the fact that authentication failure of any server > shouldn't hang the whole startup process. No need to keep on in this vain as it is fixed in fortinc server. > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Is the bum authentication > information for this server stored in ~/.authinfo{.gpg}? If it is, and > you delete the corresponding line, does Gnus prompt you anew for a > password to use? Egad I wish I'd have thought of that. I was mucking around with .authinfo trying different passwd etc... and still never cottoned to that simple fix. Although given the way gnus was resonded to bad authinfo, I suspect using the `prompted for' passwd and having a wrong passwd entered might still have stopped the music. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Unpleasant catch 22 2020-09-24 21:27 ` Harry Putnam @ 2020-09-25 1:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-09-25 1:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes: [...] > Thanks; so not much use apparently. Not much, I think it's weird. >> This is separate from the fact that authentication failure of any server >> shouldn't hang the whole startup process. > > No need to keep on in this vain as it is fixed in fortinc server. Fixed for you, but not for the next user who runs into it! >>......................Is the bum authentication >> information for this server stored in ~/.authinfo{.gpg}? If it is, and >> you delete the corresponding line, does Gnus prompt you anew for a >> password to use? > > Egad I wish I'd have thought of that. I was mucking around with >.authinfo trying different passwd etc... and still never cottoned to > that simple fix. > > Although given the way gnus was resonded to bad authinfo, I suspect > using the `prompted for' passwd and having a wrong passwd entered might > still have stopped the music. Possibly so, so we're back to fixing the underlying issue. Anyway, I'll poke at it and try to figure out what's going on. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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