From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/87953 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: IMAP changes timestamp when moving an article to another group Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:08:02 -0700 Message-ID: <877epde6rh.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <867fbvja33.fsf@dod.no> <86h8whdswa.fsf@dod.no> <86shfwcnyu.fsf@dod.no> <87r2vfnbwm.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <86d16ydg5v.fsf@dod.no> <87o9qchq36.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <86ingk9dek.fsf@dod.no> <87377nmxz3.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874lkh1oeo.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523484545 16613 195.159.176.226 (11 Apr 2018 22:09:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:09:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: ding-owner+m36167@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Apr 12 00:09:01 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from mxfilter-048035.atla03.us.yomura.com ([107.189.48.35]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6NvD-000485-U7 for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 00:08:56 +0200 X-Yomura-MXScrub: 1.0 Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (unknown [129.7.128.208]) by mxfilter-048035.atla03.us.yomura.com (Halon) with ESMTPS id 39a65e4c-3dd5-11e8-a660-b499baabecb2; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Nx0-0007SS-IJ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:10:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Nwx-0007Rk-OA for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:10:43 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Nwt-0001d8-EX for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:10:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Nws-0003fC-07; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 00:10:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (c-73-19-37-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.19.37.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F633C09BF; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:10:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1523484636; bh=qApkUMnIdA/6dLMGDsmcL2MaapG2xParYt3l/mSejQY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=C0RZ2MsVlxUqrhjPRAZIfQCJBrVnjYLXxiDMEI7XOyjvpIfbyFY1POlIju0IxkhHn Pr8ePloIjXDYPra0MZrvpU9Hp3qZt93P2Qh76jz2D4MlsC8Q1R47B6jLBBRZL/fhc0 FjT3cyX8O2H7tbRdYdB+PJ9D6T7pyVpBtNQGOJ90= In-Reply-To: <874lkh1oeo.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:25:19 +0200") X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:87953 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> Hmm, the comments don't really say *what* brokenness the quirks were >> meant to fix. I wouldn't feel confident at all in saying what the right >> thing to do is. Maybe Lars will chime in... > > Uhm uhm uhm ding ding chime. I seem to vaguely recall that a version of > Dovecot was completely 100% broken for MOVE, but I don't recall any > further details. The person who wrote those checkin messages should get > their act together; geez. I guess at some point it would be nice to fine-tune behavior a little more for the various servers (though you're not supposed to do that), but it might wait until finer-grained overrides are possible.