Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Eric Abrahamsen]

I'm trying to figure out how all the variables that hold Gnus' servers
actually work. `gnus-server-alist' looks like it's meant to be a fairly
authoritative list, but in my case it has never held anything but the
archive server.

If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
server?

It looks like `gnus-server-method-cache' ends up actually holding the
information that would also have gone in `gnus-server-alist'.

Anyway, I hope some of you will humor me!

Eric

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Sunday, 15 Oct 2017 at 23:22, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
> server?

Mine does have more information but it is out of date (by quite a few
years) and does not match my current server configuration in any way.

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: Eric S Fraga
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Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Robert Pluim]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> I'm trying to figure out how all the variables that hold Gnus' servers
> actually work. `gnus-server-alist' looks like it's meant to be a fairly
> authoritative list, but in my case it has never held anything but the
> archive server.
>
> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
> server?
>

Mine holds only the archive server.

> It looks like `gnus-server-method-cache' ends up actually holding the
> information that would also have gone in `gnus-server-alist'.

I see the same thing.

Robert

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Julien Danjou]

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On Sun, Oct 15 2017, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
> server?

Nop, just the archive server.

-- 
Julien Danjou
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;; https://julien.danjou.info

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Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Dan Christensen]

Mine has:

gnus-server-alist is a variable defined in `gnus.el'.
Its value is (("" nnfolder "")
 ("news.gmane.org" nntp "news.gmane.org"))

I believe both are valid servers that I use.

Dan

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Dave Marquardt]

Mine has all of my servers in it. I connect to 4 servers plus the
archive "server". For IMAP and NNTP servers, it shows the server,
port, and some other connection information,
i.e. nntp-open-connection-function for an NNTP server.


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On Sun, Oct 15 2017, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

I'm trying to figure out how all the variables that hold Gnus' servers
actually work. `gnus-server-alist' looks like it's meant to be a fairly
authoritative list, but in my case it has never held anything but the
archive server.

If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
server?

It looks like `gnus-server-method-cache' ends up actually holding the
information that would also have gone in `gnus-server-alist'.

Anyway, I hope some of you will humor me!

Eric

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Peter Davis]

Mine just has:

gnus-server-alist is a variable defined in ‘gnus.el’.
Its value is (("archive" nnfolder "archive"
  (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive")
  (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
  (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
  (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))


though, in fact, I get my mail from an external IMAP server. That seems
to be getting defined in gnus-select-method in my .gnus.el

-pd

-- 
  Peter Davis
  www.techcurmudgeon.com

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Adam Sjøgren]

Eric writes:

> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
> server?

Mine contains:

,----[ C-h v gnus-server-alist RET ]
| gnus-server-alist is a variable defined in ‘gnus.el’.
| Its value is
| (("archive" nnml "archive"
|   (nnml-directory "~/Mail/archive")
|   (nnml-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
|   (nnml-get-new-mail nil)
|   (nnml-inhibit-expiry t)))
| 
| Documentation:
| List of available servers.
`----

> It looks like `gnus-server-method-cache' ends up actually holding the
> information that would also have gone in `gnus-server-alist'.

I've got:

,----[ C-h v gnus-server-method-cache RET ]
| gnus-server-method-cache is a variable defined in ‘gnus.el’.
| Its value is shown below.
| 
| Documentation:
| Not documented as a variable.
| 
| Value:
| (("nndraft" nndraft #1="")
|  ("nnml" . #2=(nnml #1#
|                      (nnir-search-engine notmuch)))
|  ("native" nnnil)
|  ("nnml:" . #2#)
|  ("nntp:gm" nntp "gm"
|   (nntp-address "news.gmane.org"))
|  ("nntp:fb" nntp "fb"
|   (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream)
|   (nntp-port-number 563)
|   (nntp-address "feedbase.org"))
|  ("archive" nnml "archive"
|   (nnml-directory "~/Mail/archive")
|   (nnml-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
|   (nnml-get-new-mail nil)
|   (nnml-inhibit-expiry t)))
`----


  Best regards,

    Adam

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                                                         asjo@koldfront.dk

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Norman Walsh]

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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
> Anyway, I hope some of you will humor me!

I’ve got:

gnus-server-alist
(("archive" nnml "") ("" nnmbox "") ("nntp.charter.net" nntp "nntp.charter.net"))

gnus-server-method-cache
(("nnml:" nnml "") ("nndraft" nndraft "") ("native" nnml "") ("nndiary" nndiary "") ("archive" nnml ""))

That nntp address is probably a decade out of date. OTOH, I probably
haven’t tried to use Usenet since that used to work, so…

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

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Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> On Sunday, 15 Oct 2017 at 23:22, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
>> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
>> server?
>
> Mine does have more information but it is out of date (by quite a few
> years) and does not match my current server configuration in any way.

Do you see these servers in the *Server* buffer?

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Thanks to you all! That was enough information to solve the mystery:
gnus-server-alist holds servers automatically created by Gnus, *plus*
the servers that you've created using "a" in the *Server* buffer. Not
the servers you've defined in your gnus.el.

Which makes sense: gnus-server-alist is kept in newsrc.eld, and takes
care of saving servers that you've created through the Gnus interface.
It doesn't touch servers you've defined yourself using
select-method/secondary-select-methods in gnus.el.

This is important as I look at turning servers into actual class
objects.

More docstrings and better errors are in order!

Thanks again to everyone,
Eric

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Monday, 16 Oct 2017 at 08:39, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>
>> On Sunday, 15 Oct 2017 at 23:22, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>>> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
>>> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
>>> server?
>>
>> Mine does have more information but it is out of date (by quite a few
>> years) and does not match my current server configuration in any way.
>
> Do you see these servers in the *Server* buffer?

Yes.  But it's not that I want them there.  They are all closed.  I
suppose I can remove them somehow from the server buffer but my approach
to gnus has always been to leave well enough alone... ;-)

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: Eric S Fraga
: in Emacs 27.0.50 + Gnus v5.13 + evil-git-6ca96e8
: BBDB version 3.1.2 (2017-01-30 14:47:26+00:00)

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Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> On Monday, 16 Oct 2017 at 08:39, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 15 Oct 2017 at 23:22, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>>>> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
>>>> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
>>>> server?
>>>
>>> Mine does have more information but it is out of date (by quite a few
>>> years) and does not match my current server configuration in any way.
>>
>> Do you see these servers in the *Server* buffer?
>
> Yes.  But it's not that I want them there.  They are all closed.  I
> suppose I can remove them somehow from the server buffer but my approach
> to gnus has always been to leave well enough alone... ;-)

While I'm 100% in agreement with this principle, I think you've be safe
to hit "k" on those servers and get rid of them (after checking they
don't contain any groups you actually want, of course).

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Dave Marquardt <davemarq@linux.vnet.ibm.com> writes:

> Mine has all of my servers in it. I connect to 4 servers plus the
> archive "server". For IMAP and NNTP servers, it shows the server,
> port, and some other connection information,
> i.e. nntp-open-connection-function for an NNTP server.

Thanks, Dave. Just to confirm: you did add all these servers using "a"
in the Server buffer, right?

Eric

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo]

Eric Abrahamsen writes:

> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity 
> -- does that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but 
> the archive server?

Mine is nil, but that's most certainly because I set 
gnus-message-archive-method to nil. (Because I use gmail, I 
archive by sending to the All Mail group)

Best,
-- 
Jorge.

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>:

> I'm trying to figure out how all the variables that hold Gnus' servers
> actually work. `gnus-server-alist' looks like it's meant to be a fairly
> authoritative list, but in my case it has never held anything but the
> archive server.

> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
> server?

Here is my value of gnus-server-method-cache (slightly anonymized):

Value: (("nnml" nnml "")
 ("nndraft" nndraft "")
 ("nntp:news.gwene.org" nntp "news.gwene.org")
 ("nndiary" nndiary "")
 ("ger.gmane.org" nntp "ger.gmane.org")
 ("nntp.dod.no" nntp "nntp.dod.no")
 ("native" nntp "news"
  (nntp-address "nntp.dod.no"))
 ("nntp:news.gmane.org" nntp "news.gmane.org")
 ("nnimap:privat" nnimap "privat"
  (nnimap-address "imap.mydomain.no")
  (nnimap-authenticator cram-md5)
  (nnimap-server-port 993)
  (nnimap-stream ssl))
 ("archive" nnfolder "archive"
  (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive")
  (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
  (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
  (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Tim Landscheidt]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out how all the variables that hold Gnus' servers
> actually work. `gnus-server-alist' looks like it's meant to be a fairly
> authoritative list, but in my case it has never held anything but the
> archive server.

> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
> server?

> It looks like `gnus-server-method-cache' ends up actually holding the
> information that would also have gone in `gnus-server-alist'.

> Anyway, I hope some of you will humor me!

| ELISP> gnus-server-alist
| (("archive" nnfolder "archive"
|   (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive")
|   (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
|   (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
|   (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))
|  ("nntp.perl.org" nntp "nntp.perl.org")
|  ("news.fernuni-hagen.de" nntp "news.fernuni-hagen.de")
|  ("news.individual.de" nntp "news.individual.de")
|  ("news.gnus.org" nntp "news.gnus.org")
|  ("news.gmane.org" nntp "news.gmane.org"))

| ELISP> gnus-server-method-cache
| (("nnml:private" nnml "private")
|  ("news.gnus.org" nntp "news.gnus.org")
|  ("nntp.perl.org" nntp "nntp.perl.org")
|  ("native" nnml "private")
|  ("news.individual.de" nntp "news.individual.de")
|  ("news.gmane.org" nntp "news.gmane.org")
|  ("archive" nnfolder "archive"
|   (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive")
|   (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
|   (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
|   (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

| ELISP>

Tim

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Tim Landscheidt <tim@tim-landscheidt.de> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to figure out how all the variables that hold Gnus' servers
>> actually work. `gnus-server-alist' looks like it's meant to be a fairly
>> authoritative list, but in my case it has never held anything but the
>> archive server.
>
>> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
>> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
>> server?
>
>> It looks like `gnus-server-method-cache' ends up actually holding the
>> information that would also have gone in `gnus-server-alist'.
>
>> Anyway, I hope some of you will humor me!
>
> | ELISP> gnus-server-alist
> | (("archive" nnfolder "archive"
> |   (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive")
> |   (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
> |   (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
> |   (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))
> |  ("nntp.perl.org" nntp "nntp.perl.org")
> |  ("news.fernuni-hagen.de" nntp "news.fernuni-hagen.de")
> |  ("news.individual.de" nntp "news.individual.de")
> |  ("news.gnus.org" nntp "news.gnus.org")
> |  ("news.gmane.org" nntp "news.gmane.org"))
>
> | ELISP> gnus-server-method-cache
> | (("nnml:private" nnml "private")
> |  ("news.gnus.org" nntp "news.gnus.org")
> |  ("nntp.perl.org" nntp "nntp.perl.org")
> |  ("native" nnml "private")
> |  ("news.individual.de" nntp "news.individual.de")
> |  ("news.gmane.org" nntp "news.gmane.org")
> |  ("archive" nnfolder "archive"
> |   (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive")
> |   (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
> |   (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
> |   (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))
>
> | ELISP>
>
> Tim

Okay, thanks to you all! I think that's enough data points :)

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Dave Marquardt]

Yes, I added these in the Server buffer.


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On Tue, Oct 17 2017, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

Dave Marquardt <davemarq@linux.vnet.ibm.com> writes:

> Mine has all of my servers in it. I connect to 4 servers plus the
> archive "server". For IMAP and NNTP servers, it shows the server,
> port, and some other connection information,
> i.e. nntp-open-connection-function for an NNTP server.

Thanks, Dave. Just to confirm: you did add all these servers using "a"
in the Server buffer, right?

Eric

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Sivaram Neelakantan]

On Sun, Oct 15 2017,Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out how all the variables that hold Gnus' servers
> actually work. `gnus-server-alist' looks like it's meant to be a fairly
> authoritative list, but in my case it has never held anything but the
> archive server.
>
> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
> server?
>
> It looks like `gnus-server-method-cache' ends up actually holding the
> information that would also have gone in `gnus-server-alist'.
>
> Anyway, I hope some of you will humor me!
>
> Eric
>
>
>

Mine's got some funny stuff....

gnus-server-alist is a variable defined in ‘gnus.el’.

Its value is (("archive" nnfolder "archive"
  (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive")
  (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
  (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
  (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))



sivaram
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Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Sivaram Neelakantan <nsivaram.net@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, Oct 15 2017,Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to figure out how all the variables that hold Gnus' servers
>> actually work. `gnus-server-alist' looks like it's meant to be a fairly
>> authoritative list, but in my case it has never held anything but the
>> archive server.
>>
>> If anyone wants to take twenty seconds and satisfy my curiosity -- does
>> that variable hold anything else for you? Anything but the archive
>> server?
>>
>> It looks like `gnus-server-method-cache' ends up actually holding the
>> information that would also have gone in `gnus-server-alist'.
>>
>> Anyway, I hope some of you will humor me!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>
> Mine's got some funny stuff....
>
> gnus-server-alist is a variable defined in ‘gnus.el’.
>
> Its value is (("archive" nnfolder "archive"
>   (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive")
>   (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
>   (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
>   (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

Looks normal to me! Thanks.

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

In Article <87d15o3y36.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net>,
 Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> I'm trying to figure out how all the variables that hold Gnus' servers
> actually work. `gnus-server-alist' looks like it's meant to be a fairly
> authoritative list, but in my case it has never held anything but the
> archive server.

Mine is: ("C-h v")

gnus-server-alist is a variable defined in `gnus.el'.
Its value is (("archive" nnfolder "archive"
  (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive")
  (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
  (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
  (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

And screenshot is:
https://github.com/soyeomul/Gnus/blob/MaGnus/ss/MaGnus-Server-Buffer-20171019.png

And,
Emacs version is "GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (modified by Debian)".
Gnus version is "Ma Gnus 0.15".

Sincerely, Byung-Hee.

-- 
^고맙습니다 _白衣從軍_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: Quick survey of gnus-server-alist

[Michael Sperber]

I've got a bunch of stuff in there:

(("reader.albasani.net" nntp "reader.albasani.net"
  (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-ssl-stream)
  (nntp-port-number 563)
  (nntp-address "reader.albasani.net"))
 ("archive" nnfolder "archive"
  (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive")
  (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
  (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
  (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))
 ("deinprogramm" nnimap "deinprogramm"
  (nnimap-address "deinprogramm.de")
  (nnimap-stream ssl)
  (nnimap-authenticator login)))
  
-- 
Regards,
Mike