* Using gnus with gmail: almost there @ 2014-07-29 13:09 Carlos 2014-07-31 5:56 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Carlos @ 2014-07-29 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Hi all, it's my first day with gnus and I'm pretty happy with the level of integration I was able to achieve with gmail imap. Nevertheless, there are a few quirks remaining and any help from the experienced users here would be very much appreciated. Let's see: 1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers. There is a suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group merging the inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work for threads in the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent mail to the current group, i.e. something like: (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g))) But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the webmail. Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me. 2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group (ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible). Well, I think that's all for the time being. Thank you in advance. Cheers -- Carlos ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there 2014-07-29 13:09 Using gnus with gmail: almost there Carlos @ 2014-07-31 5:56 ` Tassilo Horn 2014-07-31 7:19 ` gcc to remote groups (was: Using gnus with gmail: almost there) Alberto Luaces 2014-07-31 19:18 ` Using gnus with gmail: almost there Carlos Pita 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2014-07-31 5:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carlos; +Cc: ding Carlos <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes: Hi Carlos, > 1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they > belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers. I do the same. > There is a suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group > merging the inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work > for threads in the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent > mail to the current group, i.e. something like: > > (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g))) > > But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the > gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the > webmail. > > Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me. Have a look at the `gcc-self' group parameter. ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ] | ‘gcc-self’ | If ‘(gcc-self . t)’ is present in the group parameter list, newly | composed messages will be ‘Gcc’’d to the current group. If | ‘(gcc-self . none)’ is present, no ‘Gcc:’ header will be generated, | if ‘(gcc-self . "string")’ is present, this string will be inserted | literally as a ‘gcc’ header. This parameter takes precedence over | any default ‘Gcc’ rules as described later (*note Archived | Messages::), with the exception for messages to resend. | | *Caveat*: Adding ‘(gcc-self . t)’ to the parameter list of ‘nntp’ | groups (or the like) isn’t valid. An ‘nntp’ server doesn’t accept | articles. `---- Here's my gcc-self related settings: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (setq gnus-parameters `((,(rx "nnimap+") (gcc-self . t)) ;; Mailing List exceptions (,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/") (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent")) (,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.") (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items")))) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- So I gcc the current group for all my IMAP accounts, except for mailing list groups, where I gcc the account's sent mail folder. To have that only for your Gmail account, you would change the regex to something like ,(rx "nnimap+Gmail") or whatever you've named your gmail account. > 2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group > (ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally > postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to > automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store > the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible). I think this question pops up here once in a while, but so far nobody seems to have implemented that feature. Bye, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* gcc to remote groups (was: Using gnus with gmail: almost there) 2014-07-31 5:56 ` Tassilo Horn @ 2014-07-31 7:19 ` Alberto Luaces 2014-07-31 9:05 ` gcc to remote groups Tassilo Horn 2014-07-31 19:18 ` Using gnus with gmail: almost there Carlos Pita 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Alberto Luaces @ 2014-07-31 7:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Tassilo Horn writes: > (,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/") > (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent")) > (,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.") > (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items")))) On a side note, I wanted to do this as well, but I was worrying about losing the copy of an email if there are network problems during the sending process. Any issue with that? Thanks, -- Alberto ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gcc to remote groups 2014-07-31 7:19 ` gcc to remote groups (was: Using gnus with gmail: almost there) Alberto Luaces @ 2014-07-31 9:05 ` Tassilo Horn 2014-07-31 9:27 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2014-07-31 9:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alberto Luaces; +Cc: ding Alberto Luaces <aluaces@udc.es> writes: Hi Alberto, >> (,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/") >> (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent")) >> (,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.") >> (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items")))) > > On a side note, I wanted to do this as well, but I was worrying about > losing the copy of an email if there are network problems during the > sending process. Any issue with that? Indeed, I think that can happen if the mail could successfully be transfered to your SMTP server, but the server hosting the IMAP account you're gcc-ing to is offline. I think it would be nice if the gcc-self value could also be a list, so (gcc-self "nnml+Archive:mail-backups" t) would mean to put outgoing mail into both the local archive group and into the current group as well. I've tried that out, but it doesn't seem to be implemented so far. I'll hack that right now. Shouldn't be too hard to implement, but give me some time so that I can also update the docs accordingly. Bye, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gcc to remote groups 2014-07-31 9:05 ` gcc to remote groups Tassilo Horn @ 2014-07-31 9:27 ` Tassilo Horn 2014-07-31 9:35 ` Alberto Luaces 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2014-07-31 9:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alberto Luaces; +Cc: ding Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> writes: > I'll hack that right now. Shouldn't be too hard to implement, but > give me some time so that I can also update the docs accordingly. Implemented, documented, and pushed to Gnus' git repository. Bye, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: gcc to remote groups 2014-07-31 9:27 ` Tassilo Horn @ 2014-07-31 9:35 ` Alberto Luaces 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Alberto Luaces @ 2014-07-31 9:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Tassilo Horn writes: > >> I'll hack that right now. Shouldn't be too hard to implement, but >> give me some time so that I can also update the docs accordingly. > > Implemented, documented, and pushed to Gnus' git repository. Awesome! Thank you a lot! -- Alberto ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there 2014-07-31 5:56 ` Tassilo Horn 2014-07-31 7:19 ` gcc to remote groups (was: Using gnus with gmail: almost there) Alberto Luaces @ 2014-07-31 19:18 ` Carlos Pita 2014-07-31 19:44 ` Carlos Pita ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Carlos Pita @ 2014-07-31 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: tsdh Hi Tassilo, gcc-self is indeed a great tip, thank you! As you've become sort of my guru now, I'm asking you further: I'm having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by prefix, as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show the method prefix, only the secondary ones, but I really want to get a similar behavior for all my primary select method without having to match on a per group basis. Is that possible? Regards -- Carlos On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> wrote: > Carlos <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes: > > Hi Carlos, > >> 1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they >> belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers. > > I do the same. > >> There is a suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group >> merging the inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work >> for threads in the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent >> mail to the current group, i.e. something like: >> >> (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g))) >> >> But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the >> gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the >> webmail. >> >> Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me. > > Have a look at the `gcc-self' group parameter. > > ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ] > | ‘gcc-self’ > | If ‘(gcc-self . t)’ is present in the group parameter list, newly > | composed messages will be ‘Gcc’’d to the current group. If > | ‘(gcc-self . none)’ is present, no ‘Gcc:’ header will be generated, > | if ‘(gcc-self . "string")’ is present, this string will be inserted > | literally as a ‘gcc’ header. This parameter takes precedence over > | any default ‘Gcc’ rules as described later (*note Archived > | Messages::), with the exception for messages to resend. > | > | *Caveat*: Adding ‘(gcc-self . t)’ to the parameter list of ‘nntp’ > | groups (or the like) isn’t valid. An ‘nntp’ server doesn’t accept > | articles. > `---- > > Here's my gcc-self related settings: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > (setq gnus-parameters > `((,(rx "nnimap+") > (gcc-self . t)) > ;; Mailing List exceptions > (,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/") > (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent")) > (,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.") > (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items")))) > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > So I gcc the current group for all my IMAP accounts, except for mailing > list groups, where I gcc the account's sent mail folder. > > To have that only for your Gmail account, you would change the regex to > something like ,(rx "nnimap+Gmail") or whatever you've named your gmail > account. > >> 2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group >> (ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally >> postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to >> automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store >> the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible). > > I think this question pops up here once in a while, but so far nobody > seems to have implemented that feature. > > Bye, > Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there 2014-07-31 19:18 ` Using gnus with gmail: almost there Carlos Pita @ 2014-07-31 19:44 ` Carlos Pita 2014-07-31 20:27 ` Carlos Pita 2014-07-31 20:36 ` Adam Sjøgren 2014-08-01 9:01 ` Tassilo Horn 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Carlos Pita @ 2014-07-31 19:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: tsdh Well, this is the best I could come with, considering that emacs regexps have no negative look-ahead or any fancy stuff: (setq gnus-parameters '(("^[^:]+$" (gcc-self . t) (gnus-gcc-mark-as-read . t)))) It will work as long as there are no gmail labels including a ':'. If you know of a better approach, please tell me! Regards -- Carlos On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tassilo, > > gcc-self is indeed a great tip, thank you! > > As you've become sort of my guru now, I'm asking you further: I'm > having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by prefix, > as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show the method > prefix, only the secondary ones, but I really want to get a similar > behavior for all my primary select method without having to match on a > per group basis. Is that possible? > > Regards > -- > Carlos > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> wrote: >> Carlos <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes: >> >> Hi Carlos, >> >>> 1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they >>> belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers. >> >> I do the same. >> >>> There is a suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group >>> merging the inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work >>> for threads in the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent >>> mail to the current group, i.e. something like: >>> >>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g))) >>> >>> But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the >>> gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the >>> webmail. >>> >>> Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me. >> >> Have a look at the `gcc-self' group parameter. >> >> ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ] >> | ‘gcc-self’ >> | If ‘(gcc-self . t)’ is present in the group parameter list, newly >> | composed messages will be ‘Gcc’’d to the current group. If >> | ‘(gcc-self . none)’ is present, no ‘Gcc:’ header will be generated, >> | if ‘(gcc-self . "string")’ is present, this string will be inserted >> | literally as a ‘gcc’ header. This parameter takes precedence over >> | any default ‘Gcc’ rules as described later (*note Archived >> | Messages::), with the exception for messages to resend. >> | >> | *Caveat*: Adding ‘(gcc-self . t)’ to the parameter list of ‘nntp’ >> | groups (or the like) isn’t valid. An ‘nntp’ server doesn’t accept >> | articles. >> `---- >> >> Here's my gcc-self related settings: >> >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> (setq gnus-parameters >> `((,(rx "nnimap+") >> (gcc-self . t)) >> ;; Mailing List exceptions >> (,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/") >> (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent")) >> (,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.") >> (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items")))) >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >> >> So I gcc the current group for all my IMAP accounts, except for mailing >> list groups, where I gcc the account's sent mail folder. >> >> To have that only for your Gmail account, you would change the regex to >> something like ,(rx "nnimap+Gmail") or whatever you've named your gmail >> account. >> >>> 2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group >>> (ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally >>> postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to >>> automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store >>> the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible). >> >> I think this question pops up here once in a while, but so far nobody >> seems to have implemented that feature. >> >> Bye, >> Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there 2014-07-31 19:44 ` Carlos Pita @ 2014-07-31 20:27 ` Carlos Pita 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Carlos Pita @ 2014-07-31 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Here's another alternative (similar to the one I posted a couple of days ago): (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (when (message-mail-p) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))) If I'm not wrong this is more or less equivalent to: (setq gnus-parameters '(("^[^:]+$" (gcc-self . t) ("^[^:]+:.+$" (gcc-self . none))))) The first one has a more flexible matching mechanism, as it let's you pass a lambda expression. But it can't set anything besides the group. It would be nice that gnus-parameters worked more like gnus-message-archive-groups, allowing one to passed a dotted pair list but also a function or expression. Regards -- Carlos ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there 2014-07-31 19:18 ` Using gnus with gmail: almost there Carlos Pita 2014-07-31 19:44 ` Carlos Pita @ 2014-07-31 20:36 ` Adam Sjøgren 2014-08-01 9:01 ` Tassilo Horn 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2014-07-31 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes: > I'm having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by > prefix, as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show > the method prefix, only the secondary ones, but I really want to get a > similar behavior for all my primary select method without having to > match on a per group basis. Is that possible? Probably not the answer you are looking for, but: I use nnnil as the primary method, and all the real stuff is secondary methods - nobody gets put on the primary piedestal. :-), Adam -- "It troo! Dat darn Kahlfin stole ma spacechip!" Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there 2014-07-31 19:18 ` Using gnus with gmail: almost there Carlos Pita 2014-07-31 19:44 ` Carlos Pita 2014-07-31 20:36 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2014-08-01 9:01 ` Tassilo Horn 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2014-08-01 9:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carlos Pita; +Cc: ding Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes: Hi Carlos, > gcc-self is indeed a great tip, thank you! Thanks! > As you've become sort of my guru now, I'm asking you further: I'm > having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by prefix, > as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show the method > prefix, only the secondary ones, Oh, really? I wasn't aware of that. > but I really want to get a similar behavior for all my primary select > method without having to match on a per group basis. Is that possible? Well, I don't use a primary select method at all, only secondary ones. And as far as I know, there's nothing making them less powerful or second class citizens (well, except that the backend is always shown, it seems), so you might want to do the same. ;; Make the primary select method a do-nothing one (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil)) ;; Only use severeal secondary select methods (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nntp "Gmane" (nntp-address "news.gmane.org"))) ... Bye, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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