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From: Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: for a given emacs session: insert a subject with an increasing counter
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 05:32:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878rzqa9j5.fsf@zoho.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bl54glpc.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net>

Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

>> Oh, no!
>>
>> I didn't know of this (never seen it). I have used global
>> variables to hold the "state" (be a memory between function
>> calls) but I've also done more involved solutions like
>> properties and even self-modifying code :O
>>
>> And all the while, it was this easy ...
>
> TBH, I've never actually used a closure in anger, probably
> just because it doesn't occur to me. I'll bet if I went back
> and looked over the code I've written in the past I could
> find some situations where I could have used them, but...
> *shrug*

I think I heard that you shouldn't use, or that you should
avoid, global variables the first time when I was 12.
I understood it enough to stick by it and I guess my code was
good to me 5-6 days out of 7 at least.

However it would have been even better if it had been
formulized like this ...

  When the situation is <something>, while a global variable
  would solve it, <something else> is preferable ...

So, doing now what we were unable to do at age 12, we can
formulate one such rule:

  When the situation is like that, that a function needs
  a state or local memory, which cannot be reset from one
  function call to the other, use a closure!

It is easy to add rules ...

When the value has the nature of an user option, a global
variable is fine ...

But what about when two (or more) functions need access to the
same variable, how should that be done? Local functions
(`cl-labels'), parameters, evaluation - don't know, is there
a short answer? - or can one have several functions in a/one
closure `let'?

Aaanyway, I think the best way to approach this is to grep the
source for `defvar' (or baseline `setq'), prune the options,
and then ...

(Unbelievable that I never read this in a single computer book
of all the tons I've read. Unbelievable people who write
them. Or?)

-- 
underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal



  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-21  3:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-30 16:01 Uwe Brauer
2021-08-30 16:10 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-30 18:46   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-08-31  6:50   ` Uwe Brauer
2021-08-31  6:58     ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-08-31 15:42       ` Uwe Brauer
2021-08-31 15:54         ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-09-02  8:15           ` Uwe Brauer
2021-09-04 15:30           ` [misunderstanding] (was: for a given emacs session: insert a subject with an increasing counter) Uwe Brauer
2021-09-07 20:04             ` Emanuel Berg
2021-09-01  3:55         ` for a given emacs session: insert a subject with an increasing counter Bodertz
2021-09-04 15:25           ` Uwe Brauer
2021-09-07 17:12             ` Emanuel Berg
2021-09-07 19:02               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-07 19:25                 ` Emanuel Berg
2021-09-07 20:09                   ` Emanuel Berg
2021-09-07 20:35                     ` Emanuel Berg
2021-09-07 20:44                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-21  3:32                       ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2021-09-21 19:12                         ` Bodertz
2021-09-21 21:56                           ` Emanuel Berg
2021-08-31  7:44     ` Emanuel Berg
2021-08-31  7:56       ` Emanuel Berg
2021-08-31 16:01       ` Uwe Brauer
2021-08-31 16:29         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-08-31 19:06           ` Uwe Brauer

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