* nntp groups downloading all headers on each entry
@ 2012-10-20 5:39 Eric Abrahamsen
2012-10-21 14:29 ` Eric S Fraga
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2012-10-20 5:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
I'm still reconsituting my gnus configuration, and with my current
(still minimal) setup I'm seeing weird behavior: On each entry of an
nntp group, I'm apparently downloading *all* headers for the group -- in
the case of orgmode or gnus, that's several megabytes and a good five
minutes. For each gnus session it only happens once per group, but the
next time I restart gnus I start downloading all over again.
Presumably this has something to do with the agent and caching, but I
don't know what. I have no customizations that mention "agent" or
"cache". My ~/News directory doesn't have much in it -- drafts and
queue, and one message in a "cache" directory. ~/.newsrc looks like this
right now:
gmane.emacs.bbdb.user: 1-3419
gmane.emacs.gnus.general: 1-82418
gmane.emacs.orgmode: 1-61739
And here is, for example, the gnus-related entry in my ~/newsrc.eld:
("gmane.emacs.gnus.general" 5 ((1 . 82418)) ((seen (82392 . 82403)
(82406 . 82414)) (reply 82394 82397 (82400 . 82401))))
Is it obvious to anyone what's going on?
Thanks,
Eric
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2012-10-20 5:39 nntp groups downloading all headers on each entry Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2012-10-21 14:29 ` Eric S Fraga
2012-10-22 3:40 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2012-10-21 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
> I'm still reconsituting my gnus configuration, and with my current
> (still minimal) setup I'm seeing weird behavior: On each entry of an
> nntp group, I'm apparently downloading *all* headers for the group -- in
Maybe check out the setting of gnus-fetch-old-headers?
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* Re: nntp groups downloading all headers on each entry
2012-10-21 14:29 ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2012-10-22 3:40 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-10-22 6:51 ` Tassilo Horn
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2012-10-22 3:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> I'm still reconsituting my gnus configuration, and with my current
>> (still minimal) setup I'm seeing weird behavior: On each entry of an
>> nntp group, I'm apparently downloading *all* headers for the group -- in
>
> Maybe check out the setting of gnus-fetch-old-headers?
That did it! And I only had to wait 20 minutes to see your reply :)
Turns out it was my fault after all -- I'd set it to 'some, for reasons
that totally escape me.
Thank you!
Eric
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* Re: nntp groups downloading all headers on each entry
2012-10-22 3:40 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2012-10-22 6:51 ` Tassilo Horn
2012-10-22 10:35 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2012-10-22 6:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: ding
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>> I'm still reconsituting my gnus configuration, and with my current
>>> (still minimal) setup I'm seeing weird behavior: On each entry of an
>>> nntp group, I'm apparently downloading *all* headers for the group
>>> -- in
>>
>> Maybe check out the setting of gnus-fetch-old-headers?
>
> That did it! And I only had to wait 20 minutes to see your reply :)
> Turns out it was my fault after all -- I'd set it to 'some, for
> reasons that totally escape me.
Yes, that behavior has changed recently. Have a look at this thread.
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/cutoff=82423
I also have the value 'some for `gnus-fetch-old-headers', and now that
means that Gnus will fetch *all* old headers initially. But it will do
that only once.
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: nntp groups downloading all headers on each entry
2012-10-22 6:51 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2012-10-22 10:35 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-10-22 11:56 ` Tassilo Horn
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2012-10-22 10:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On 22 October 2012 14:51, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> wrote:
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>>> I'm still reconsituting my gnus configuration, and with my current
>>> (still minimal) setup I'm seeing weird behavior: On each entry of an
>>> nntp group, I'm apparently downloading *all* headers for the group
>>> -- in
>>
>> Maybe check out the setting of gnus-fetch-old-headers?
>
> That did it! And I only had to wait 20 minutes to see your reply :)
> Turns out it was my fault after all -- I'd set it to 'some, for
> reasons that totally escape me.
Yes, that behavior has changed recently. Have a look at this thread.
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/cutoff=82423
I also have the value 'some for `gnus-fetch-old-headers', and now that
means that Gnus will fetch *all* old headers initially. But it will do
that only once.
Only once per gnus session? That's the behavior I was seeing with 'some....
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2012-10-22 10:35 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2012-10-22 11:56 ` Tassilo Horn
2012-10-22 13:08 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2012-10-22 11:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: ding
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
Hi Eric,
> Yes, that behavior has changed recently. Have a look at this thread.
>
> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/cutoff=82423
>
> I also have the value 'some for `gnus-fetch-old-headers', and now that
> means that Gnus will fetch *all* old headers initially. But it will do
> that only once.
>
> Only once per gnus session? That's the behavior I was seeing with
> 'some....
No, only once per group. The initial fetch will populate your .overview
files with the headers from article 1 to the most recent one.
Thereafter, it should only fetch new headers. That's what it does/did
here.
If it fetches all headers in every Gnus session, there's something
wrong. Did you set `gnus-nov-is-evil'? That would explain it...
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: nntp groups downloading all headers on each entry
2012-10-22 11:56 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2012-10-22 13:08 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-10-23 6:23 ` Tassilo Horn
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2012-10-22 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> writes:
> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
>> Yes, that behavior has changed recently. Have a look at this thread.
>>
>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/cutoff=82423
>>
>> I also have the value 'some for `gnus-fetch-old-headers', and now that
>> means that Gnus will fetch *all* old headers initially. But it will do
>> that only once.
>>
>> Only once per gnus session? That's the behavior I was seeing with
>> 'some....
>
> No, only once per group. The initial fetch will populate your .overview
> files with the headers from article 1 to the most recent one.
> Thereafter, it should only fetch new headers. That's what it does/did
> here.
>
> If it fetches all headers in every Gnus session, there's something
> wrong. Did you set `gnus-nov-is-evil'? That would explain it...
My `gnus-nov-is-evil' is still nil, so that's not it. But there are only
.overview files in my ~/Mail directory, not my ~/News directory, so
there's an immediate explanation. Actually, there are no directories
corresponding to my nntp newsgroups at all, so I'm not sure where those
.overview files would go.
I'm still in the process of downloading massive amounts of past mail,
and that seems to be mucking with the whole system. I'm going to wait
until I've got everything down and sorted, and restarted a few times,
and then start worrying about it...
E
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* Re: nntp groups downloading all headers on each entry
2012-10-22 13:08 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2012-10-23 6:23 ` Tassilo Horn
2012-10-23 7:05 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2012-10-23 6:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: ding
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
Hi Eric,
> My `gnus-nov-is-evil' is still nil, so that's not it. But there are
> only .overview files in my ~/Mail directory, not my ~/News directory,
> so there's an immediate explanation. Actually, there are no
> directories corresponding to my nntp newsgroups at all, so I'm not
> sure where those .overview files would go.
Hm, I only have them in my News folder, all corresponding to some nntp
group:
News/agent/nntp/Eclipse/eclipse/platform/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Eclipse/eclipse/tools/emf/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Gmane/gmane/comp/gcc/devel/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Gmane/gmane/comp/gnome/announce/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Gmane/gmane/comp/gnome/apps/evince/general/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Gmane/gmane/comp/gnome/desktop/.overview
[...]
News/agent/nntp/Uni/infko/linux/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Uni/infko/mac/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Uni/infko/oopm/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Uni/infko/programmierung/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Uni/infko/softtech/.overview
Are your nntp servers agentized?
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: nntp groups downloading all headers on each entry
2012-10-23 6:23 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2012-10-23 7:05 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2012-10-23 7:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On 23 October 2012 14:23, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> wrote:
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
Hi Eric,
> My `gnus-nov-is-evil' is still nil, so that's not it. But there are
> only .overview files in my ~/Mail directory, not my ~/News directory,
> so there's an immediate explanation. Actually, there are no
> directories corresponding to my nntp newsgroups at all, so I'm not
> sure where those .overview files would go.
Hm, I only have them in my News folder, all corresponding to some nntp
group:
News/agent/nntp/Eclipse/eclipse/platform/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Eclipse/eclipse/tools/emf/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Gmane/gmane/comp/gcc/devel/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Gmane/gmane/comp/gnome/announce/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Gmane/gmane/comp/gnome/apps/evince/general/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Gmane/gmane/comp/gnome/desktop/.overview
[...]
News/agent/nntp/Uni/infko/linux/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Uni/infko/mac/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Uni/infko/oopm/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Uni/infko/programmierung/.overview
News/agent/nntp/Uni/infko/softtech/.overview
Are your nntp servers agentized?
That's the problem! Sorry, I should have read the Agent Basics section
of the manual -- it says there that no servers are agentized by default,
so I've just added my nntp server, and I'll try putting
`gnus-fetch-old-headers' back to 'some.
It seems a little odd to say at the top that the agent is on by default,
but not mention until later that it doesn't actually *do* anything by
default.
Anyhow, that's sorted, thank you. Sorry for the overly-basic query.
Eric
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