Unplugged or Offline mode

Unplugged or Offline mode

[Deepak Tripathi]

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Hi Team, 

How gnus works with offline/unplugged mode. I am using offliceIMAP to
fetch all my mails in Maildir format. Then i run J j to switch into
unplugged mode, I write mails and send, which gonna store in queue
folder.

Then i come in plugged mode and try to send mail using D t and D s, but
messages are still in queue folder.

Is there anyway that guus will automatically check whether unpluggd or
plugged and ask me to send mail. 

I came form Wanderlust world there i can use C + t to toggle between
plugged and unplugged mode. May be i am expecting too much from gnus?

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Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Eric S Fraga]

Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:

> Hi Team, 
>
> How gnus works with offline/unplugged mode. I am using offliceIMAP to
> fetch all my mails in Maildir format. Then i run J j to switch into
> unplugged mode, I write mails and send, which gonna store in queue
> folder.
>
> Then i come in plugged mode and try to send mail using D t and D s, but
> messages are still in queue folder.

I use "J S" (gnus-group-send-queue) to send queued up emails.  The D map
is about sieve (on my system, at least).

> Is there anyway that guus will automatically check whether unpluggd or
> plugged and ask me to send mail. 
>
> I came form Wanderlust world there i can use C + t to toggle between
> plugged and unplugged mode. May be i am expecting too much from gnus?

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Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Robert Pluim]

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
>
>> Hi Team, 
>>
>> How gnus works with offline/unplugged mode. I am using offliceIMAP to
>> fetch all my mails in Maildir format. Then i run J j to switch into
>> unplugged mode, I write mails and send, which gonna store in queue
>> folder.
>>
>> Then i come in plugged mode and try to send mail using D t and D s, but
>> messages are still in queue folder.
>
> I use "J S" (gnus-group-send-queue) to send queued up emails.  The D map
> is about sieve (on my system, at least).

In the queue group, those are bound to various draft-send commands, I
guess because queue inherits from draft mode. Lars, wouldn't it make
more sense if they actually sent messages?

Robert

Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Deepak Tripathi]

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Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
Eric/Robert, 

I am still facing the same issue, As suggested by Eric I tried J S, but
still its not sending the queue. 

I have very basic requirement 
1) would like to work in without internet 
2) when i connect to internet, my gnus will ask me to clear the queue.

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>
>> Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hi Team, 
>>>
>>> How gnus works with offline/unplugged mode. I am using offliceIMAP
> to
>>> fetch all my mails in Maildir format. Then i run J j to switch into
>>> unplugged mode, I write mails and send, which gonna store in queue
>>> folder.
>>>
>>> Then i come in plugged mode and try to send mail using D t and D s,
> but
>>> messages are still in queue folder.
>>
>> I use "J S" (gnus-group-send-queue) to send queued up emails.  The D
> map
>> is about sieve (on my system, at least).
>
> In the queue group, those are bound to various draft-send commands, I
> guess because queue inherits from draft mode. Lars, wouldn't it make
> more sense if they actually sent messages?
>
> Robert
>
>

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Deepak Tripathi

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Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Richard Riley]

Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>
>> Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hi Team, 
>>>
>>> How gnus works with offline/unplugged mode. I am using offliceIMAP to
>>> fetch all my mails in Maildir format. Then i run J j to switch into
>>> unplugged mode, I write mails and send, which gonna store in queue
>>> folder.
>>>
>>> Then i come in plugged mode and try to send mail using D t and D s, but
>>> messages are still in queue folder.
>>
>> I use "J S" (gnus-group-send-queue) to send queued up emails.  The D map
>> is about sieve (on my system, at least).
>
> In the queue group, those are bound to various draft-send commands, I
> guess because queue inherits from draft mode. Lars, wouldn't it make
> more sense if they actually sent messages?
>
> Robert
>

D s works the same in the queue and the draft afaik.

If you do a D t on a queued email then it should not send until you
toggle it back and D s again.

Did I understand correctly?

It would be nice if draft and queue groups updated properly when you
create, edit, queue and send however. It can be very confusing
otherwise.

Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Deepak Tripathi]

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Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
D t and D s works from  nndraft:drafts folders, How to use it from
nndraft:queue ?

>
>> Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hi Team, 
>>>
>>> How gnus works with offline/unplugged mode. I am using offliceIMAP
> to
>>> fetch all my mails in Maildir format. Then i run J j to switch into
>>> unplugged mode, I write mails and send, which gonna store in queue
>>> folder.
>>>
>>> Then i come in plugged mode and try to send mail using D t and D s,
> but
>>> messages are still in queue folder.
>>
>> I use "J S" (gnus-group-send-queue) to send queued up emails.  The D
> map
>> is about sieve (on my system, at least).
>
> In the queue group, those are bound to various draft-send commands, I
> guess because queue inherits from draft mode. Lars, wouldn't it make
> more sense if they actually sent messages?
>
> Robert
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Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Richard Riley]

Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:

> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
> Eric/Robert, 
>
> I am still facing the same issue, As suggested by Eric I tried J S, but
> still its not sending the queue. 
>

I use the queue and drafts extensively and it works kind of ok here : I
write emails etc and then JS from the group buffer to send the
queue. Occasionally I go into the queue and D s on individual posts.

Are you sure there are no "=" marks on the queued items as a result of
telling gnus NOT to send them (D t)?

Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Deepak Tripathi]

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Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:

Hi Richard, 


> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hi Team, 
>>>>
>>>> How gnus works with offline/unplugged mode. I am using offliceIMAP
> to
>>>> fetch all my mails in Maildir format. Then i run J j to switch
> into
>>>> unplugged mode, I write mails and send, which gonna store in queue
>>>> folder.
>>>>
>>>> Then i come in plugged mode and try to send mail using D t and D
> s, but
>>>> messages are still in queue folder.
>>>
>>> I use "J S" (gnus-group-send-queue) to send queued up emails.  The
> D map
>>> is about sieve (on my system, at least).
>>
>> In the queue group, those are bound to various draft-send commands,
> I
>> guess because queue inherits from draft mode. Lars, wouldn't it make
>> more sense if they actually sent messages?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
> D s works the same in the queue and the draft afaik.
>
Its not working from the queue folder. 
> If you do a D t on a queued email then it should not send until you
> toggle it back and D s again.
>
> Did I understand correctly?
>
Yes
> It would be nice if draft and queue groups updated properly when you
> create, edit, queue and send however. It can be very confusing
> otherwise.
I am new to gnus. if you have any pointer for newbie to setup those or
any example will be good enough.
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Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Richard Riley]

Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:

> Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:
>
> Hi Richard, 
>
>> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Team, 
>>>>>
>>>>> How gnus works with offline/unplugged mode. I am using offliceIMAP
>> to
>>>>> fetch all my mails in Maildir format. Then i run J j to switch
>> into
>>>>> unplugged mode, I write mails and send, which gonna store in queue
>>>>> folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then i come in plugged mode and try to send mail using D t and D
>> s, but
>>>>> messages are still in queue folder.
>>>>
>>>> I use "J S" (gnus-group-send-queue) to send queued up emails.  The
>> D map
>>>> is about sieve (on my system, at least).
>>>
>>> In the queue group, those are bound to various draft-send commands,
>> I
>>> guess because queue inherits from draft mode. Lars, wouldn't it make
>>> more sense if they actually sent messages?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>
>> D s works the same in the queue and the draft afaik.
>>
> Its not working from the queue folder. 

It happened to me more than once - I reported it but couldnt reliably
reproduce it. Check your group set up. Put your cursor over the queue
folder in the Groups buffer and type "G E"

It should be something like this

("nndraft:queue" 1 nil nil
 (nndraft "")
 ((timestamp 19903 62247)
  (gnus-dummy
   (gnus-draft-mode))))

It's all hellishly complicated  but stick with it! queues and drafts in
particular are kind of intertwined.

Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Eric S Fraga]

Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
> Eric/Robert, 
>
> I am still facing the same issue, As suggested by Eric I tried J S, but
> still its not sending the queue. 
>
> I have very basic requirement 
> 1) would like to work in without internet 
> 2) when i connect to internet, my gnus will ask me to clear the queue.

I do much of my emailing while disconnected.  My typical workflow, on
the way to work in the morning on a train say, is:

1. start emacs
2. M-x gnus-unplugged
3. read and respond to emails, sending with C-c C-c which queues up the
   messages as I am *unplugged*.
4. when I connect to the Internet, e.g. when I get to my destination,
   switch to plugged (J j) and, in the Group buffer, send all queued
   messages (J S).

Repeat as desired! (e.g. on the way home)  This relies on servers being
"agentised" and updating (J s) the agent while connected, something I do
just before leaving home or work.

It might be nice if messages got sent automatically when I connect
("plug") but it's a minor thing and, in fact, I like having explicit
control about when the queued messages are sent.

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Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Eric S Fraga]

Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:

> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
> D t and D s works from  nndraft:drafts folders, How to use it from
> nndraft:queue ?

No idea.  When I have drafts, I typically edit them (e) and then send
(C-c C-c), save for later further processing (C-c C-d) or discard (C-c
C-k), as appropriate.

If I have queued messages, I send them from the group buffer (J S).

For me, draft and queued messages are very distinct.  Anything in the
queue *will* be sent: they are complete messages that I do not need to
look at again before sending (except in extreme cases).  Draft messages
are those which should *not* be sent without further editing.  Very
different use cases and gnus handles the distinction very nicely, IMO.

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Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Richard Riley]

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
>
>> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>> D t and D s works from  nndraft:drafts folders, How to use it from
>> nndraft:queue ?
>
> No idea.  When I have drafts, I typically edit them (e) and then send
> (C-c C-c), save for later further processing (C-c C-d) or discard (C-c
> C-k), as appropriate.
>
> If I have queued messages, I send them from the group buffer (J S).
>
> For me, draft and queued messages are very distinct.  Anything in the
> queue *will* be sent: they are complete messages that I do not need to
> look at again before sending (except in extreme cases).  Draft messages
> are those which should *not* be sent without further editing.  Very
> different use cases and gnus handles the distinction very nicely, IMO.

just some notes, comments which might make the OP a little more
comfortable with Gnus...

I'm not sure I would describe it handling it nicely per se - its
confusing I think and takes a while to get your head around. Also both
draft and queue have the same key sequences since they are "kind of" one
of the same.

I work pretty much the same as you but I dont bother with offline
anymore since the registry doesnt work with multiple gmail accounts
(posted a few times) for me. A shame as I struggled for ages to get this
working. I activate based on topic levels and have the option set to
always queue outgoing email regardless of online or offline.

Drafts I can send from the draft queue with D s which sends it to the
queue. This is correct. And from the queue I can D s from within the
queue or do a J S at the group buffer levels.

Except for Gnus not correctly updating the draft/queue counts it works
very nicely.

Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Adam Sjøgren]

On Tue, 03 May 2011 16:27:10 +0100, Eric wrote:

> For me, draft and queued messages are very distinct.  Anything in the
> queue *will* be sent: they are complete messages that I do not need to
> look at again before sending (except in extreme cases).  Draft messages
> are those which should *not* be sent without further editing.  Very
> different use cases and gnus handles the distinction very nicely, IMO.

Kudos for a crystal clear and straight forward description/
interpretation of the two concepts.


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Deepak Tripathi]

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Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:

Hi Richard, 

> Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
>
>> Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes:
>>
>> Hi Richard, 
>>
>>> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Team, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How gnus works with offline/unplugged mode. I am using
> offliceIMAP
>>> to
>>>>>> fetch all my mails in Maildir format. Then i run J j to switch
>>> into
>>>>>> unplugged mode, I write mails and send, which gonna store in
> queue
>>>>>> folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then i come in plugged mode and try to send mail using D t and D
>>> s, but
>>>>>> messages are still in queue folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use "J S" (gnus-group-send-queue) to send queued up emails.
> The
>>> D map
>>>>> is about sieve (on my system, at least).
>>>>
>>>> In the queue group, those are bound to various draft-send
> commands,
>>> I
>>>> guess because queue inherits from draft mode. Lars, wouldn't it
> make
>>>> more sense if they actually sent messages?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>
>>> D s works the same in the queue and the draft afaik.
>>>
>> Its not working from the queue folder. 
>
> It happened to me more than once - I reported it but couldnt reliably
> reproduce it. Check your group set up. Put your cursor over the queue
> folder in the Groups buffer and type "G E"
>
> It should be something like this
>
> ("nndraft:queue" 1 nil nil
>  (nndraft "")
>  ((timestamp 19903 62247)
>   (gnus-dummy
>    (gnus-draft-mode))))
>
I have something like 
("nndraft:queue" 1 nil
 ((unsend 3))
 (nndraft "")
 ((timestamp 19902 49562)
  (gnus-dummy
   (gnus-draft-mode))))

its says unsend 3, but nndraft:queue is empty or probably i didn't
understood the parameter. Somehow editing the draft using e and then C c
C c works for me.
> It's all hellishly complicated but stick with it! queues and drafts in
> particular are kind of intertwined.
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Re: Unplugged or Offline mode

[Deepak Tripathi]

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Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> Deepak Tripathi <deepak@gnumonk.com> writes:
Eric, 

Thanks for detailed about queue and draft. For its working now as e and
then C-c C-c.
>
>> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>> D t and D s works from  nndraft:drafts folders, How to use it from
>> nndraft:queue ?
>
> No idea.  When I have drafts, I typically edit them (e) and then send
> (C-c C-c), save for later further processing (C-c C-d) or discard (C-c
> C-k), as appropriate.
>
> If I have queued messages, I send them from the group buffer (J S).
>
> For me, draft and queued messages are very distinct.  Anything in the
> queue *will* be sent: they are complete messages that I do not need to
> look at again before sending (except in extreme cases).  Draft
> messages
> are those which should *not* be sent without further editing.  Very
> different use cases and gnus handles the distinction very nicely, IMO.
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