Message size too large (where to adjust)

Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Harry Putnam]

I've gotten this message:
  The message size is too large, split? (y or n) 
  Sending via mail...

At times when what I was sending didn't seem all that large.  Where
can up the anti a bit so that message only pops up if it really is too
large? 

An index search in gnus manual on `large' doesn't get me to the
variable.

So far I've just been saying `no' but then I always wonder if
recipient will see some kind of problem

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Russ Allbery]

Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:

> I've gotten this message:
>   The message size is too large, split? (y or n) 
>   Sending via mail...
>
> At times when what I was sending didn't seem all that large.  Where
> can up the anti a bit so that message only pops up if it really is too
> large? 
>
> An index search in gnus manual on `large' doesn't get me to the
> variable.
>
> So far I've just been saying `no' but then I always wonder if
> recipient will see some kind of problem

Generally saying yes will cause considerably more problems for the
recipient than saying no, since saying yes generates message/partial
messages which are often rejected by any spam- or virus-filtering
software.  As long as the message is smaller than the size accepted by
your local mail server and the remote mail server, you never want to
split.

I think the size in Gnus is set to something too small for modern mail
systems.  I'd recommend something like 20MB or maybe 50MB.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Greg Troxel]

I have in .emacs:

      ;; Don't split large messages.
      (setq message-send-mail-partially-limit nil)

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Harry Putnam]

Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:

>> So far I've just been saying `no' but then I always wonder if
>> recipient will see some kind of problem
>
> Generally saying yes will cause considerably more problems for the
> recipient than saying no, since saying yes generates message/partial
> messages which are often rejected by any spam- or virus-filtering
> software.  As long as the message is smaller than the size accepted by
> your local mail server and the remote mail server, you never want to
> split.
>
> I think the size in Gnus is set to something too small for modern mail
> systems.  I'd recommend something like 20MB or maybe 50MB.

That sounds a tab bit large to me... aren't a lot of those yahoo,gmain
etc type accounts only allowed 5mb.

But anyway, where do you change gnus setting?

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Harry Putnam]

Greg Troxel <gdt@work.lexort.com> writes:

> I have in .emacs:
>
>       ;; Don't split large messages.
>       (setq message-send-mail-partially-limit nil)

Ahh thanks, I see C-h v shows its default to be 1000000
but what is it a measure of... bytes I guess.

If bytes it comes out to about .95 mb... that is a bit small.

Thanks again.

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:

> I think the size in Gnus is set to something too small for modern mail
> systems.  I'd recommend something like 20MB or maybe 50MB.

I've now changed the default to "unlimited".

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:

> Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:
>> I think the size in Gnus is set to something too small for modern mail
>> systems.  I'd recommend something like 20MB or maybe 50MB.

> I've now changed the default to "unlimited".

Actually I thought that many modern mail systems had a limit of around
10MB...?

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

> Actually I thought that many modern mail systems had a limit of around
> 10MB...?

I can't recall any MTA actually bouncing a mail because of excessive
size the past, er, decade...  

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:

> I can't recall any MTA actually bouncing a mail because of excessive
> size the past, er, decade...

My ISP did, in their outgoing SMTP server, at least as close as a couple
of years ago.

(I don't use their outgoing SMTP server anymore, but others might)

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:

> My ISP did, in their outgoing SMTP server, at least as close as a couple
> of years ago.

Right.  But you'll get a bounce message (or it'll just refuse the
message and you get an error message immediately).  I think that's
better than guessing at a limit, and then sending out split messages
that most (I think) recipients can't read.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Rupert Swarbrick]

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
>
>> Actually I thought that many modern mail systems had a limit of around
>> 10MB...?
>
> I can't recall any MTA actually bouncing a mail because of excessive
> size the past, er, decade...  

Are you sure that GMail doesn't still do this? I remember my then
girlfriend sending emails of photos in batches to work around it only a
couple of years ago.

Rupert

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Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:

> Right.  But you'll get a bounce message (or it'll just refuse the
> message and you get an error message immediately).  I think that's
> better than guessing at a limit, and then sending out split messages
> that most (I think) recipients can't read.

True.  Split messages is really bad.

Re: Message size too large (where to adjust)

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no>:

> True.  Split messages is really bad.

"Split messages _are_ really bad"

Oh well!