Gnus and Mailcrypt

Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Jérôme Marant]

Hi,

  I'm using Gnus and Mailcrypt.
  When I receive a signed message, Gnus does not show me
  that the message was signed since it removes the GPG header
  and footer.
  I didn't find any way to toggle this. Any idea?

  Thanks in advance.

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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Kai Großjohann]

jmarant@nerim.net (Jérôme Marant) writes:

>   When I receive a signed message, Gnus does not show me
>   that the message was signed since it removes the GPG header
>   and footer.

I think it shows it in the modeline.  There is something like "[  h ]"
there.  Each position has a character, and one of them is reserved
for signed/encrypted messages.

I think.

kai
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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Sean Neakums]

commence  Kai Großjohann quotation:

> jmarant@nerim.net (Jérôme Marant) writes:
>
>>   When I receive a signed message, Gnus does not show me
>>   that the message was signed since it removes the GPG header
>>   and footer.
>
> I think it shows it in the modeline.  There is something like "[ h
> ]" there.  Each position has a character, and one of them is
> reserved for signed/encrypted messages.

I think this also helps; it's been a while since I configured MailCrypt.

  (setq gnus-buttonized-mime-types (cons "multipart/signed" gnus-buttonized-mime-types)

Also, Kai, this looks kind of broken:

> Mail-Followup-To: jmarant@nerim.net, @ls6.cs.uni-dortmund.de (Jérôme Marant), ding@gnus.org

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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Kai Großjohann]

Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:

> Also, Kai, this looks kind of broken:
>
>> Mail-Followup-To: jmarant@nerim.net, @ls6.cs.uni-dortmund.de (Jérôme Marant), ding@gnus.org

Argh.  What did I do?  I think I did nothing, the MFT header is
auto-generated.  Can anyone help?

I have added gnus-find-subscribed-addresses to
message-subscribed-address-functions, and that returns
"ding@gnus\\.org" in this group.  Hm.

kai
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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Sean Neakums]

commence  Kai Großjohann quotation:

> Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:
>
>> Also, Kai, this looks kind of broken:
>>
>>> Mail-Followup-To: jmarant@nerim.net, @ls6.cs.uni-dortmund.de (Jérôme Marant), ding@gnus.org
>
> Argh.  What did I do?  I think I did nothing, the MFT header is
> auto-generated.  Can anyone help?

I used to use this before hitting C-c C-c, until I started to trust
the MFT-generation code.  It may be helpful.

  (defun check-mft ()
    "Show what Message-Followup-To would be generated."
    (interactive)
    (save-excursion
      (message-options-set-recipient)
      (message (concat "MFT would be: " (message-make-mft)))))

The MFT in your last message looks fine, though:

> Mail-Followup-To: jmarant@nerim.net, ding@gnus.org

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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Jérôme Marant]

Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:

> I think this also helps; it's been a while since I configured MailCrypt.
>
>   (setq gnus-buttonized-mime-types (cons "multipart/signed" gnus-buttonized-mime-types)

  Works fine for me! Thanks a lot!

  Cheers,

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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Joseph Barillari]

>>>>> "JM" == Jérôme Marant <jmarant@nerim.net> writes:

    JM> Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:
    >> I think this also helps; it's been a while since I configured
    >> MailCrypt.
    >> 
    >> (setq gnus-buttonized-mime-types (cons "multipart/signed"
    >> gnus-buttonized-mime-types)

    JM>   Works fine for me! Thanks a lot!

I'm surprised. In my installation, gnus-buttonized-mime-types doesn't
get defined until _after_ .gnus is loaded, so emacs choked on the line:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable gnus-buttonized-mime-types)
  (cons "multipart/signed" gnus-buttonized-mime-types)
        (blah (blah blah)...)

I added "multipart/signed" to my customize entry instead. 

Should the line above have worked? I'm new to elisp, but I thought you
couldn't assign to a variable if the RHS of the expression was defined
in terms of the variable itself, and the variable wasn't yet
defined. Should emacs assume that gnus-buttonized-mime-types would
evaluate to an empty list? Or is gnus-buttonized-mime-types supposed
to be defined by the time .gnus-reading happens?

Thanks,

 --Joe

Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Josh Huber]

Joseph Barillari <jbarilla@princeton.edu> writes:

> I'm surprised. In my installation, gnus-buttonized-mime-types
> doesn't get defined until _after_ .gnus is loaded, so emacs choked
> on the line:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable gnus-buttonized-mime-types)
>   (cons "multipart/signed" gnus-buttonized-mime-types)
>         (blah (blah blah)...)
>
> I added "multipart/signed" to my customize entry instead. 
>
> Should the line above have worked? I'm new to elisp, but I thought you
> couldn't assign to a variable if the RHS of the expression was defined
> in terms of the variable itself, and the variable wasn't yet
> defined. Should emacs assume that gnus-buttonized-mime-types would
> evaluate to an empty list? Or is gnus-buttonized-mime-types supposed
> to be defined by the time .gnus-reading happens?

It's defined in gnus-art.el, so if you want to modify the value from
.gnus.el, perhaps before all of gnus has been loaded, you must
specifically tell Emacs to load the gnus-art module:

(require 'gnus-art)
[modify gnus-buttonized-mime-types here]

Otherwise you're right -- what would emacs do?  Even if you did set to
a particular value (i.e. not reference the original variable in the
RHS of the statement), when gnus-art.el got loaded the value would be
overwritten...

hope that helps,

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Josh Huber

Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Sean Neakums]

commence  Josh Huber quotation:

[snip discussion of setting gnus-buttonized-mime-types]

I should probably have posted the entire chunk that I use to get the
variable set:

(eval-after-load "gnus-art"
   '(setq gnus-buttonized-mime-types
          (cons "multipart/signed" gnus-buttonized-mime-types)))

> Otherwise you're right -- what would emacs do?  Even if you did set to
> a particular value (i.e. not reference the original variable in the
> RHS of the statement), when gnus-art.el got loaded the value would be
> overwritten...

It won't.  defvar and defcustom don't (AFAIK) destroy pre-exiting
variable bindings.

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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Josh Huber]

Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:

> It won't.  defvar and defcustom don't (AFAIK) destroy pre-exiting
> variable bindings.

Of course, you're right.  It only does when interactivly evaling the
form. (sorry!)

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Josh Huber

Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Sean Neakums]

commence  Josh Huber quotation:

> Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:
>
>> It won't.  defvar and defcustom don't (AFAIK) destroy pre-exiting
>> variable bindings.
>
> Of course, you're right.  It only does when interactivly evaling the
> form. (sorry!)

I just did (setq blorp 2) and evaluated (defvar blorp 1) using C-j in
*scratch*, using C-x C-e in *scratch* and using M-:, and blorp remains
bound to 2.

Or do I misundertand what you're saying here?

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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Kai Großjohann]

Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:

> I just did (setq blorp 2) and evaluated (defvar blorp 1) using C-j in
> *scratch*, using C-x C-e in *scratch* and using M-:, and blorp remains
> bound to 2.

Try C-M-x.  That has a special case for defvar.

kai
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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Josh Huber]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Try C-M-x.  That has a special case for defvar.

Right, it's mentioned in the help for devfar:

INITVALUE is evaluated, and used to set SYMBOL, only if SYMBOL's value is
 void. (However, when you evaluate a defvar interactively, it acts like a
 defconst: SYMBOL's value is always set regardless of whether it's currently
 void.)

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Josh Huber

Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Sean Neakums]

commence  Josh Huber quotation:

> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> Try C-M-x.  That has a special case for defvar.
>
> Right, it's mentioned in the help for devfar:
>
> INITVALUE is evaluated, and used to set SYMBOL, only if SYMBOL's
> value is void. (However, when you evaluate a defvar interactively,
> it acts like a defconst: SYMBOL's value is always set regardless of
> whether it's currently void.)

Is this XEmacs-specific?  I see no such text in the docstring for GNU
Emacs 21's defvar.

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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Josh Huber]

Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:

> Is this XEmacs-specific?  I see no such text in the docstring for
> GNU Emacs 21's defvar.

Actually, I don't know.  I guess I assumed it wasn't but perhaps it
is...

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Josh Huber

defvar and interactive evaluation

[Sean Neakums]

commence  Kai Großjohann quotation:

> Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:
>
>> I just did (setq blorp 2) and evaluated (defvar blorp 1) using C-j in
>> *scratch*, using C-x C-e in *scratch* and using M-:, and blorp remains
>> bound to 2.
>
> Try C-M-x.  That has a special case for defvar.

C-h c C-M-x on my Emacs 21 (version 21.1) claims that it is undefined.
What's it bound to on your system?

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Re: defvar and interactive evaluation

[Kai Großjohann]

Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:

> C-h c C-M-x on my Emacs 21 (version 21.1) claims that it is undefined.
> What's it bound to on your system?

It's only bound in Emacs Lisp mode I think.

kai
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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Kai Großjohann]

Joseph Barillari <jbarilla@princeton.edu> writes:

> I'm surprised. In my installation, gnus-buttonized-mime-types doesn't
> get defined until _after_ .gnus is loaded, so emacs choked on the line:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable gnus-buttonized-mime-types)
>   (cons "multipart/signed" gnus-buttonized-mime-types)
>         (blah (blah blah)...)

The normal procedure is to find out in which file the variable is
defined (with C-h v, when it is defined).  Then you can put (require
'foo) into your .gnus file, where foo is the filename.

kai
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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Jérôme Marant]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> jmarant@nerim.net (Jérôme Marant) writes:
>
>>   When I receive a signed message, Gnus does not show me
>>   that the message was signed since it removes the GPG header
>>   and footer.
>
> I think it shows it in the modeline.  There is something like "[  h ]"
> there.  Each position has a character, and one of them is reserved
> for signed/encrypted messages.

  I don't have such a tag in the modeline :|

-- 
Jérôme Marant

http://marant.org
              

Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Sean Neakums]

commence  Jérôme Marant quotation:

> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>> I think it shows it in the modeline.  There is something like "[  h ]"
>> there.  Each position has a character, and one of them is reserved
>> for signed/encrypted messages.
>
>   I don't have such a tag in the modeline :|

It should be in the Article buffer's mode-line, unless something has
been changed.  For example:

 ----:---F1  Gnus: ding [ h    ] Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt 9:21PM 1.60 (Article MC-r)--L29--All-
                        ^^^^^^^^

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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Jérôme Marant]

Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:

> commence  Jérôme Marant quotation:
>
>> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>>> I think it shows it in the modeline.  There is something like "[  h ]"
>>> there.  Each position has a character, and one of them is reserved
>>> for signed/encrypted messages.
>>
>>   I don't have such a tag in the modeline :|
>
> It should be in the Article buffer's mode-line, unless something has
> been changed.  For example:
>
>  ----:---F1  Gnus: ding [ h    ] Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt 9:21PM 1.60 (Article MC-r)--L29--All-

  I neither have that :|

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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Simon Josefsson]

jmarant@nerim.net (Jérôme Marant) writes:

> Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:
>
>> commence  Jérôme Marant quotation:
>>
>>> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>>>> I think it shows it in the modeline.  There is something like "[  h ]"
>>>> there.  Each position has a character, and one of them is reserved
>>>> for signed/encrypted messages.
>>>
>>>   I don't have such a tag in the modeline :|
>>
>> It should be in the Article buffer's mode-line, unless something has
>> been changed.  For example:
>>
>>  ----:---F1  Gnus: ding [ h    ] Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt 9:21PM 1.60 (Article MC-r)--L29--All-
>
>   I neither have that :|

What's your `gnus-article-mode-line-format' setting?

Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Jérôme Marant]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> What's your `gnus-article-mode-line-format' setting?
>

This is the default value, I think:

"Gnus: %g [%w] %S%m"

Cheers,

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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Reiner Steib]

On Sun, Jun 30 2002, Jérôme Marant wrote:

> Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:
>
>> commence  Jérôme Marant quotation:
[...]
>> It should be in the Article buffer's mode-line, unless something has
>> been changed.  For example:
>>
>>  ----:---F1  Gnus: ding [ h    ] Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt [...]

>   I neither have that :|

"h" is for "Hidden headers", "p" for pgp:

,----[ C-h v gnus-article-wash-status-strings RET ]
| gnus-article-wash-status-strings's value is shown below.
| 
| Documentation:
| Alist of strings describing wash status in the mode line.
| Each entry has the form (KEY ON OF), where the KEY is a symbol
| representing the particular washing function, ON is the string to use
| in the article mode line when the washing function is active, and OFF
| is the string to use when it is inactive.
[...]
|   #("p" 0 1
|     (help-echo "Encrypted or signed message status hidden"))
[...]
|   #("h" 0 1
|     (help-echo "Hidden headers"))
`----

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: Gnus and Mailcrypt

[Reiner Steib]

On Sun, Jun 30 2002, Jérôme Marant wrote:

>   When I receive a signed message, Gnus does not show me
>   that the message was signed since it removes the GPG header
>   and footer.

Gnus shows a "p" the status line of the article buffer. 

>   I didn't find any way to toggle this. Any idea?

,----[ C-h v gnus-buttonized-mime-types RET ]
| gnus-buttonized-mime-types's value is (".*/signed")
| 
| Documentation:
| List of MIME types that should be given buttons when rendered inline.
| If set, this variable overrides `gnus-unbuttonized-mime-types'.
| To see e.g. security buttons you could set this to
| `("multipart/signed")'.
`----

This will give you buttons.

Bye, Reiner.
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