From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/21501 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hrvoje Niksic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: forwarding as text rather than MIME? Date: 24 Feb 1999 17:17:58 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: <8790dnkc7d.fsf@pc-hrvoje.srce.hr> References: <87hfsnl7ys.fsf@graaff.xs4all.nl> <87lnhtcstr.fsf@graaff.xs4all.nl> <87k8xb1r6t.fsf@pc-hrvoje.srce.hr> <87d832uyf9.fsf@pc-hrvoje.srce.hr> <87zp66thv2.fsf@pc-hrvoje.srce.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035159591 23240 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:19:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from fisher.math.uh.edu (fisher.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.35]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28564 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:19:35 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by fisher.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAB16322; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:18:15 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:18:49 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00110 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:18:39 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from pc-hrvoje.srce.hr (mail@pc-hrvoje.srce.hr [161.53.2.132]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28513 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:18:28 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from hniksic by pc-hrvoje.srce.hr with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10Fh0Y-0006VW-00; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:17:58 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Attribution: Hrvoje X-Face: &{dT~)Pu6V<0y?>3p$;@vh\`C7xB~A0T-J%Og)J,@-1%q6Q+, gs<-9M#&`I8cJp2b1{vPE|~+JE+gx;a7%BG{}nY^ehK1"q#rG O,Rn1A_Cy%t]V=Brv7h writes: > IMHO most neat would be a kind of compromise: make the MIME forward > almost indifferent to a "normal" forward, by setting the > part-delimiter to "----cut-here----" and similar things. The delimiter is not the problem; current funny -=-=-=- stuff is not any uglier than ----cut-here----. The problem is that: 1) Up to now, you could use `S o p' to create and send purely textual messages, suitable for forwarding as well as for "silly" purposes such as *.best-of-usenet newsgroups. The MIME wonder doesn't allow you to do this. 2) Many newsreaders don't handle MIME at all. This, for one, includes all stable releases of Gnus. Then you get the raw message with not only the delimiters, but all the headers, plus the MIME headers. The old forwarding routine created much shorter and more readable messages. 3) Many newsreaders handle MIME but poorly. They insist on calling "metamail", which is a pain in the $@#$@# for many reasons (I can expand on this in a different message). 4) I'm not sure why it's such a good idea to use MIME encapsulation for news messages anyway. All of this doesn't matter to me very much; as I said in an earlier message, I will likely adapt to Gnus' final design choice. It's just that I also see Toni's point in questionning the wisdom of using MIME for news forwards. [Not to mention that even the current Gnus handles message/rfc822 very poorly. The only sane way of viewing such messages is through *gasp* nndoc.]