* mail vs news @ 2015-12-15 22:53 Xavier Maillard 2015-12-16 0:13 ` Greg Troxel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2015-12-15 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hello, I know emails and news are two different beasts outside Gnus Towers but I am looking for informations explaining how these two /beasts/ are viewed inside Gnus -i.e what are the mail-centric-features vs nntp-features. For example, does (adaptative) scoring work for both world ? Does expiration work asame ? etc. Thank you Returning to C-h i Gnus RET - -- Xavier. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWcJnwAAoJEDy08nibbhJtnkYIAILJY9xpbh8PZSpI2VPkeLmi mk82TJK4USd2LXhoZXjc6dtRRWwgX9y2c4/Rhgz2e8ivmpRWFeAeGEqdmFi0GgF0 rvFk3Rs3SV/bAfZBjarWdPMsdX9WzoDFrUudHaZCU+EoA5ktUfeaQeh2mCE/IDre 4Akv1e5M5yk9Y4d7qauFhbvNrVsFfUgpoBBRfGufXSW4B0uy2jkVCqzBiKTS2NZW UppDZyyAjU2qU/ExDbzgtemRgQXoIf9I/wClbMy79CapzHFH12VnYJXp0UIqKCTa kvn3PHYj12dQ85eq6UAGQidUjl1ESEWI9jmXlP+PFxqsvs4ajWMnKkgA955p5Ug= =q5sl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-15 22:53 mail vs news Xavier Maillard @ 2015-12-16 0:13 ` Greg Troxel 2015-12-16 5:01 ` Xavier Maillard 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Greg Troxel @ 2015-12-16 0:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Xavier Maillard; +Cc: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 966 bytes --] Xavier Maillard <lists.emacs.gnus@xavier.maillard.im> writes: > I know emails and news are two different beasts outside Gnus Towers but I am > looking for informations explaining how these two /beasts/ are viewed inside > Gnus -i.e what are the mail-centric-features vs nntp-features. > > For example, does (adaptative) scoring work for both world ? Does expiration > work asame ? etc. Basically email is a special case of news, and most things work similarly. I don't use adaptive scoring, but I use the usual scoring stuff all the time in nnimap groups. I use topic mode in the groups buffer. I also use expiration, but auto-expire and total-expire, in nnimap groups. In this case the messages (articles, gnus calls them) are actually removed from IMAP server. The only funny part is that expiration happens when exiting a group, so it's somewhat async and in arrears, but in terms of keeping messages around for a while and then pruning, it works for me. [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 180 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-16 0:13 ` Greg Troxel @ 2015-12-16 5:01 ` Xavier Maillard 2015-12-16 6:21 ` Glyn Millington 2015-12-16 13:07 ` Filipp Gunbin 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2015-12-16 5:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Greg Troxel <gdt@lexort.com> writes: > Xavier Maillard <lists.emacs.gnus@xavier.maillard.im> writes: > >> I know emails and news are two different beasts outside Gnus Towers but I am >> looking for informations explaining how these two /beasts/ are viewed inside >> Gnus -i.e what are the mail-centric-features vs nntp-features. >> >> For example, does (adaptative) scoring work for both world ? Does expiration >> work asame ? etc. > > Basically email is a special case of news, and most things work > similarly. I don't use adaptive scoring, but I use the usual scoring > stuff all the time in nnimap groups. I use topic mode in the groups > buffer. I also use expiration, but auto-expire and total-expire, in > nnimap groups. In this case the messages (articles, gnus calls them) > are actually removed from IMAP server. The only funny part is that > expiration happens when exiting a group, so it's somewhat async and in > arrears, but in terms of keeping messages around for a while and then > pruning, it works for me. Thanks for your feedback. I am considering to go « full NNTP » for all my mailing-lists needs (as long as it is possible). For example, I know gnu.* hierarchy offers many groups I regularly read without having to write a line of sieve script or without subscription. Will see. Are you aware of any trouble switching from normal mailing-list subscription to NNTP for ding for example ? (lag, gap, post missing, etc.) - -- Xavier. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWcPAYAAoJEDy08nibbhJtssUIAICleNX+PXupegneldbnmChP 55l2Wz638aqSX62HPzxtSjgJe6PpqutjXZDDUjx41MWC498h/QZshU/oDzrBGDOg U8sdVW1EUItih8J92gtV6ZqDR9KI1OMYgwiHaDQLxibCx15JCIQ64U6M/dTXWDWl UVebi3OvlJgnEothg67FXlb2TjXN6VFnHCfIdr153GJIRQ134DUUuzDgK0/vpx14 Zxn/d1EXRVOUrai3KENXeqv4vn2DbT6SEPKL6ynfHj4PYvbyQDikUvwg9lnhK6TE wThg6GmNk5JMqN/RYjiVIHhU4SOFF7NL3mFKVlRphqZENrZHyu3dqwnkoAB6HjI= =c35y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-16 5:01 ` Xavier Maillard @ 2015-12-16 6:21 ` Glyn Millington 2015-12-16 9:22 ` Rainer M Krug 2015-12-16 22:08 ` Xavier Maillard 2015-12-16 13:07 ` Filipp Gunbin 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Glyn Millington @ 2015-12-16 6:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Xavier Maillard <lists.emacs.gnus@xavier.maillard.im> writes: > Thanks for your feedback. I am considering to go « full NNTP » for all my > mailing-lists needs (as long as it is possible). For example, I know gnu.* > hierarchy offers many groups I regularly read without having to write a line > of sieve script or without subscription. You know about gmane? http://gmane.org/ Almost certainly you do! but worth flagging it up in this thread. atb Glyn ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-16 6:21 ` Glyn Millington @ 2015-12-16 9:22 ` Rainer M Krug 2015-12-16 22:11 ` Xavier Maillard 2015-12-16 22:08 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-16 9:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glyn Millington; +Cc: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1350 bytes --] Glyn Millington <glyn.millington@gmail.com> writes: > Xavier Maillard <lists.emacs.gnus@xavier.maillard.im> writes: > >> Thanks for your feedback. I am considering to go « full NNTP » for all my >> mailing-lists needs (as long as it is possible). For example, I know gnu.* >> hierarchy offers many groups I regularly read without having to write a line >> of sieve script or without subscription. > > > You know about gmane? > > http://gmane.org/ > > Almost certainly you do! but worth flagging it up in this thread. I had a similar setup, but moved back to mailing lists because of 1) many groups (particularly but not exclusively google groups) I can not post to via gmane but I have to use mail. And in many cases, the posts to gmane simply disappear in these cases - any suggestions on how I can solve this (posting to via mail instead of gmane), and I am likely to move back to gmane for all mailing lists 2) archiving of the posts as a ressource to search is much faster when using offline storage of the posts and notmuch for indexing. I can search gmane from gnus as well, but I kind of prefer notmuch. Now I am back to all lists I might write to are mailing lists again. As I said - the main > > > > atb > > Glyn > > > -- Rainer M. Krug email: Rainer<at>krugs<dot>de PGP: 0x0F52F982 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 454 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-16 9:22 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-16 22:11 ` Xavier Maillard 2015-12-17 8:33 ` Rainer M Krug 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2015-12-16 22:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: > Glyn Millington <glyn.millington@gmail.com> writes: > >> Xavier Maillard <lists.emacs.gnus@xavier.maillard.im> writes: >> >>> Thanks for your feedback. I am considering to go « full NNTP » for all my >>> mailing-lists needs (as long as it is possible). For example, I know gnu.* >>> hierarchy offers many groups I regularly read without having to write a line >>> of sieve script or without subscription. >> >> >> You know about gmane? >> >> http://gmane.org/> >> Almost certainly you do! but worth flagging it up in this thread. > > I had a similar setup, but moved back to mailing lists because of > > 1) many groups (particularly but not exclusively google groups) I can > not post to via gmane but I have to use mail. And in many cases, the > posts to gmane simply disappear in these cases - any suggestions on how > I can solve this (posting to via mail instead of gmane), and I am likely > to move back to gmane for all mailing lists If I understand correctly, you want to automatically switch to a mail-message when posting on certain gmane groups instead of news-message, right ? Dunno if it could work but did you try specifying `gnus-parameters' for these groups ? > 2) archiving of the posts as a ressource to search is much faster when > using offline storage of the posts and notmuch for indexing. I can > search gmane from gnus as well, but I kind of prefer notmuch. I dropped notmuch entirely; too much « work » to maintain its index and I always forget the query syntax altogether ;) - -- Xavier. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWceGlAAoJEDy08nibbhJti2wH/jc+7a2PQGczaZk2IOwFeKA2 gK+LlXdGWxUo8YwWWMfRJ6/wdbX8SPUUvbMt2QXYVz6Z2t6x0oRRXKEFMQMokW8E uXXj5rlyxkwZoM56mlplczG3VSc/uMrbVyowYTUtBTXTUd96NeRyXZ+AkPvPClus 5hZa0fIecie4EbdP531xCLnpKWY4eMvmVOChLce4BjsouueGPmZKk4gZl/n0FTeL BWezLed6c1rlJ0Y67fPODUCrO6i+6mVn2f+GFm83wFGR0B8r3CyshF3zPSenb6mY B/+Y5loAEGhinHUWH8mnD80YN8Wy5ks6awq2GjB1+YZf5tXPEpNaz22B4BW0Wv0= =1C0D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-16 22:11 ` Xavier Maillard @ 2015-12-17 8:33 ` Rainer M Krug 2015-12-17 10:31 ` Adam Sjøgren 2015-12-17 11:02 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-17 8:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2520 bytes --] Xavier Maillard <lists.emacs.gnus@xavier.maillard.im> writes: > Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: > >> Glyn Millington <glyn.millington@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Xavier Maillard <lists.emacs.gnus@xavier.maillard.im> writes: >>> >>>> Thanks for your feedback. I am considering to go « full NNTP » for all my >>>> mailing-lists needs (as long as it is possible). For example, I know gnu.* >>>> hierarchy offers many groups I regularly read without having to write a line >>>> of sieve script or without subscription. >>> >>> >>> You know about gmane? >>> >>> http://gmane.org/> >>> Almost certainly you do! but worth flagging it up in this thread. >> >> I had a similar setup, but moved back to mailing lists because of >> >> 1) many groups (particularly but not exclusively google groups) I can >> not post to via gmane but I have to use mail. And in many cases, the >> posts to gmane simply disappear in these cases - any suggestions on how >> I can solve this (posting to via mail instead of gmane), and I am likely >> to move back to gmane for all mailing lists > > If I understand correctly, you want to automatically switch to a mail-message > when posting on certain gmane groups instead of news-message, right ? > Dunno if it could work but did you try specifying `gnus-parameters' for these > groups ? Yes - exactly (as pointed out in my question here). I will look into these later today. > >> 2) archiving of the posts as a ressource to search is much faster when >> using offline storage of the posts and notmuch for indexing. I can >> search gmane from gnus as well, but I kind of prefer notmuch. > > I dropped notmuch entirely; too much « work » to maintain its index and I > always forget the query syntax altogether ;) Maintenance: I use offlineimap to sync my gmail account to a local dovecot imap server, and after each sync, "notmuch" -new is called - so no maintenance on my side. query syntax: This is tricky, but I usually use simple searches which are no problem via the emacs interface. And I am sure the gmane search syntax is also not to simple? Oh - one other advantage of mailing list: I can read them on all my devices. OK - I have to filter them by using rules on the server (gmail in my case), but than I can read them from all devices (gnus, web gmail, iPhone, whatever I use t access my gmail account). Cheers, Rainer > > -- Xavier. -- Rainer M. Krug email: Rainer<at>krugs<dot>de PGP: 0x0F52F982 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 454 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-17 8:33 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-17 10:31 ` Adam Sjøgren 2015-12-17 11:02 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2015-12-17 10:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Rainer writes: > And I am sure the gmane search syntax is also not to simple? How are the syntaxes complex? (I don't know the syntax, even though I use both, so I am asking out of curiosity.) (Both notmuch and the Gmane search is built on Xapian, by the way.) Best regards, Adam -- "I'm so indie my shirt don't fit" Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-17 8:33 ` Rainer M Krug 2015-12-17 10:31 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2015-12-17 11:02 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 2015-12-17 11:13 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2015-12-17 14:31 ` Rainer M Krug 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Igor Sosa Mayor @ 2015-12-17 11:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: > Maintenance: I use offlineimap to sync my gmail account to a local > dovecot imap server, and after each sync, "notmuch" -new is called - so > no maintenance on my side. sorry for the noise... but is it somehow possible to see your dovecot config? I never managed to run a local dovecot imap server in archlinux... many thanks in advance! -- :: Igor Sosa Mayor :: joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com :: :: GnuPG: 0x1C1E2890 :: http://www.gnupg.org/ :: :: jabberid: rogorido :: :: ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-17 11:02 ` Igor Sosa Mayor @ 2015-12-17 11:13 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2015-12-17 11:17 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 2015-12-17 14:31 ` Rainer M Krug 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-12-17 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: > Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: > >> Maintenance: I use offlineimap to sync my gmail account to a local >> dovecot imap server, and after each sync, "notmuch" -new is called - so >> no maintenance on my side. > > sorry for the noise... but is it somehow possible to see your dovecot > config? I never managed to run a local dovecot imap server in > archlinux... > > many thanks in advance! Here's my output of "doveconf -n". This is all the configuration I've got, apart from /etc/dovecot/passwd. # 2.2.21 (5345f22): /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf # OS: Linux 4.2.5-1-ARCH i686 auth_verbose = yes disable_plaintext_auth = no info_log_path = /var/log/dovecot-info.log log_path = /var/log/dovecot.log mail_plugins = "fts fts_lucene" passdb { args = username_format=%u /etc/dovecot/passwd driver = passwd-file } plugin { fts = lucene fts_autoindex = yes fts_lucene = whitespace_chars=@. } protocols = imap ssl = no userdb { args = uid=eric gid=users home=/home/eric/.mail/%d/%n username_format=%u default_fields = mail=maildir:/home/eric/.mail/%d/%n/mail driver = static } ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-17 11:13 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-12-17 11:17 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 2015-12-17 14:32 ` Rainer M Krug 2015-12-17 23:34 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Igor Sosa Mayor @ 2015-12-17 11:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: > >> Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: >> >>> Maintenance: I use offlineimap to sync my gmail account to a local >>> dovecot imap server, and after each sync, "notmuch" -new is called - so >>> no maintenance on my side. >> >> sorry for the noise... but is it somehow possible to see your dovecot >> config? I never managed to run a local dovecot imap server in >> archlinux... >> >> many thanks in advance! > > Here's my output of "doveconf -n". This is all the configuration I've > got, apart from /etc/dovecot/passwd. > thanks! this is local imap server, isn't it? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-17 11:17 ` Igor Sosa Mayor @ 2015-12-17 14:32 ` Rainer M Krug 2015-12-17 14:54 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 2015-12-17 23:34 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-17 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Igor Sosa Mayor; +Cc: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1628 bytes --] Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > >> Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: >>> >>>> Maintenance: I use offlineimap to sync my gmail account to a local >>>> dovecot imap server, and after each sync, "notmuch" -new is called - so >>>> no maintenance on my side. >>> >>> sorry for the noise... but is it somehow possible to see your dovecot >>> config? I never managed to run a local dovecot imap server in >>> archlinux... >>> >>> many thanks in advance! >> >> Here's my output of "doveconf -n". This is all the configuration I've >> got, apart from /etc/dovecot/passwd. >> > > thanks! this is local imap server, isn't it? Mine yes. Here is my output from the command: ,---- | doveconf -n | # 2.2.21 (5345f22): /usr/local/etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf | # OS: Darwin 15.2.0 x86_64 | mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir | namespace inbox { | inbox = yes | location = | mailbox Drafts { | special_use = \Drafts | } | mailbox Junk { | special_use = \Junk | } | mailbox Sent { | special_use = \Sent | } | mailbox "Sent Messages" { | special_use = \Sent | } | mailbox Trash { | special_use = \Trash | } | prefix = | } | passdb { | args = login | driver = pam | } | ssl_cert = </usr/local/etc/dovecot/dovecot.pem | ssl_key = </usr/local/etc/dovecot/private/dovecot.pem | userdb { | driver = passwd | } `---- > > > -- Rainer M. Krug email: Rainer<at>krugs<dot>de PGP: 0x0F52F982 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 454 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-17 14:32 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-17 14:54 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Igor Sosa Mayor @ 2015-12-17 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: [...] >> thanks! this is local imap server, isn't it? > > Mine yes. Here is my output from the command: thanks! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-17 11:17 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 2015-12-17 14:32 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-17 23:34 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2015-12-18 9:48 ` Rainer M Krug 2015-12-18 15:18 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-12-17 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > >> Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: >>> >>>> Maintenance: I use offlineimap to sync my gmail account to a local >>>> dovecot imap server, and after each sync, "notmuch" -new is called - so >>>> no maintenance on my side. >>> >>> sorry for the noise... but is it somehow possible to see your dovecot >>> config? I never managed to run a local dovecot imap server in >>> archlinux... >>> >>> many thanks in advance! >> >> Here's my output of "doveconf -n". This is all the configuration I've >> got, apart from /etc/dovecot/passwd. >> > > thanks! this is local imap server, isn't it? Right, then Gnus connects via (for instance, for this email address): (nnimap "EA" (nnimap-address "localhost") (nnimap-stream network) (nnimap-authenticator login) (nnimap-user "eric@ericabrahamsen.net")) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-17 23:34 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-12-18 9:48 ` Rainer M Krug 2015-12-18 15:19 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 2015-12-19 2:24 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2015-12-18 15:18 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-18 9:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1620 bytes --] Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: > >> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: >> >>> Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: >>>> >>>>> Maintenance: I use offlineimap to sync my gmail account to a local >>>>> dovecot imap server, and after each sync, "notmuch" -new is called - so >>>>> no maintenance on my side. >>>> >>>> sorry for the noise... but is it somehow possible to see your dovecot >>>> config? I never managed to run a local dovecot imap server in >>>> archlinux... >>>> >>>> many thanks in advance! >>> >>> Here's my output of "doveconf -n". This is all the configuration I've >>> got, apart from /etc/dovecot/passwd. >>> >> >> thanks! this is local imap server, isn't it? > > Right, then Gnus connects via (for instance, for this email address): > > (nnimap "EA" > (nnimap-address "localhost") > (nnimap-stream network) > (nnimap-authenticator login) > (nnimap-user "eric@ericabrahamsen.net")) > Or like this: (nnimap "Maildir" (nnimap-stream shell) (nnimap-shell-program "/usr/local/opt/dovecot/libexec/dovecot/imap -o mail_location=maildir:$HOME/Maildir"))) If you do it like this, it is not necessary to run the imap server daemon - no worries about security. And if I am correc=ct, you don't need to configure dovecot with the conf file, as you specify the parameters in the commandline. Cheers, Rainer > > -- Rainer M. Krug email: Rainer<at>krugs<dot>de PGP: 0x0F52F982 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 454 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-18 9:48 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-18 15:19 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 2015-12-19 2:24 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Igor Sosa Mayor @ 2015-12-18 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: [...] > Or like this: > > (nnimap "Maildir" > (nnimap-stream shell) > (nnimap-shell-program "/usr/local/opt/dovecot/libexec/dovecot/imap -o mail_location=maildir:$HOME/Maildir"))) > > If you do it like this, it is not necessary to run the imap server > daemon - no worries about security. And if I am correc=ct, you don't > need to configure dovecot with the conf file, as you specify the > parameters in the commandline. thanks. I'll give it a try in the holidays days. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-18 9:48 ` Rainer M Krug 2015-12-18 15:19 ` Igor Sosa Mayor @ 2015-12-19 2:24 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2015-12-19 8:35 ` Erik Colson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-12-19 2:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > >> Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: >>> >>>> Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Maintenance: I use offlineimap to sync my gmail account to a local >>>>>> dovecot imap server, and after each sync, "notmuch" -new is called - so >>>>>> no maintenance on my side. >>>>> >>>>> sorry for the noise... but is it somehow possible to see your dovecot >>>>> config? I never managed to run a local dovecot imap server in >>>>> archlinux... >>>>> >>>>> many thanks in advance! >>>> >>>> Here's my output of "doveconf -n". This is all the configuration I've >>>> got, apart from /etc/dovecot/passwd. >>>> >>> >>> thanks! this is local imap server, isn't it? >> >> Right, then Gnus connects via (for instance, for this email address): >> >> (nnimap "EA" >> (nnimap-address "localhost") >> (nnimap-stream network) >> (nnimap-authenticator login) >> (nnimap-user "eric@ericabrahamsen.net")) >> > > Or like this: > > (nnimap "Maildir" > (nnimap-stream shell) > (nnimap-shell-program "/usr/local/opt/dovecot/libexec/dovecot/imap -o mail_location=maildir:$HOME/Maildir"))) > > If you do it like this, it is not necessary to run the imap server > daemon - no worries about security. And if I am correc=ct, you don't > need to configure dovecot with the conf file, as you specify the > parameters in the commandline. Right -- I was originally doing that (single dovecot invocations), and wrote the blog post above because I thought that I needed an always-running daemon in order for FTS indexing to work. Later on I discovered it's not really necessary, but on the other hand the daemon hasn't bothered me any, so... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-19 2:24 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-12-19 8:35 ` Erik Colson 2015-12-20 3:36 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Erik Colson @ 2015-12-19 8:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: ding Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > Right -- I was originally doing that (single dovecot invocations), and > wrote the blog post above because I thought that I needed an > always-running daemon in order for FTS indexing to work. Later on I > discovered it's not really necessary, but on the other hand the daemon > hasn't bothered me any, so... dovecot has fts indexed with lucene or solr. how are you using nnmaildir fts ? is it indexed search ? best -- erik colson ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-19 8:35 ` Erik Colson @ 2015-12-20 3:36 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2015-12-20 13:51 ` Erik Colson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-12-20 3:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Erik Colson <eco@ecocode.net> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > >> Right -- I was originally doing that (single dovecot invocations), and >> wrote the blog post above because I thought that I needed an >> always-running daemon in order for FTS indexing to work. Later on I >> discovered it's not really necessary, but on the other hand the daemon >> hasn't bothered me any, so... > > dovecot has fts indexed with lucene or solr. how are you using nnmaildir > fts ? is it indexed search ? I don't use nnmaildir at all -- the whole point of using nnimap is that dovecot then does the searching for you? The backend is specified as nnimap, and nnir does the rest. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-20 3:36 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-12-20 13:51 ` Erik Colson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Erik Colson @ 2015-12-20 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: ding Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > I don't use nnmaildir at all -- the whole point of using nnimap is that > dovecot then does the searching for you? The backend is specified as > nnimap, and nnir does the rest. then I misunderstood.. as you wrote you didn't need the dovecot daemon.. best -- erik colson ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-17 23:34 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2015-12-18 9:48 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-18 15:18 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Igor Sosa Mayor @ 2015-12-18 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: [...] >> thanks! this is local imap server, isn't it? > > Right, then Gnus connects via (for instance, for this email address): thanks! -- :: Igor Sosa Mayor :: joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com :: :: GnuPG: 0x1C1E2890 :: http://www.gnupg.org/ :: :: jabberid: rogorido :: :: ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-17 11:02 ` Igor Sosa Mayor 2015-12-17 11:13 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-12-17 14:31 ` Rainer M Krug 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-17 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Igor Sosa Mayor; +Cc: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 836 bytes --] Igor Sosa Mayor <joseleopoldo1792@gmail.com> writes: > Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de> writes: > >> Maintenance: I use offlineimap to sync my gmail account to a local >> dovecot imap server, and after each sync, "notmuch" -new is called - so >> no maintenance on my side. > > sorry for the noise... but is it somehow possible to see your dovecot > config? I never managed to run a local dovecot imap server in > archlinux... sure - had it working on Linux and now on OS X. AS far as I remember, I just installed it (on OXS X vie homebrew) and started it. The only change: set my mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir in the conf.d/10-mail.conf file That was it. The actual configuration is the default. > > many thanks in advance! -- Rainer M. Krug email: Rainer<at>krugs<dot>de PGP: 0x0F52F982 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 454 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-16 6:21 ` Glyn Millington 2015-12-16 9:22 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2015-12-16 22:08 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2015-12-16 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Glyn Millington <glyn.millington@gmail.com> writes: > Xavier Maillard <lists.emacs.gnus@xavier.maillard.im> writes: > >> Thanks for your feedback. I am considering to go « full NNTP » for all my >> mailing-lists needs (as long as it is possible). For example, I know gnu.* >> hierarchy offers many groups I regularly read without having to write a line >> of sieve script or without subscription. > > You know about gmane? > > http://gmane.org/ > > Almost certainly you do! but worth flagging it up in this thread. Indeed. I also like reading my website through http://gwene.org gateway - -- Xavier. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWceDYAAoJEDy08nibbhJtcjQIAKcPSQFksErKi9R8zr8kMIKH EYEuC3AJ+7/l0nctGejbctoxJsgMP6Z+wx9HgDxpcVFmliqiRuzQzpS0l3X7/z4B 3OH66U9a3pXh4WdkqAtuesLjLtXohGl2M+uLZaBtdmdv/cGOU1yX+rNkntqxPtLx mN9NL7ANRoz6Ey/NVeFK/bizzgNb5gXDe7XBaC0lzk2Z3KKhlQAUjPLtBA+8Imqf iJCZyzJq2yF7y+aaGzOXsGPBe5t6p/O5hPFguycN5A3EDOA7vD3HAdGNqDd+Et8z z2XvKNMm4DVZo9DyCsxyZoR6bUbEr5Qwbc2DWciwWvM4vLWEKyJeN5aEhECvcAg= =2RQ0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-16 5:01 ` Xavier Maillard 2015-12-16 6:21 ` Glyn Millington @ 2015-12-16 13:07 ` Filipp Gunbin 2015-12-16 15:44 ` Tim Landscheidt 2015-12-16 22:06 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Filipp Gunbin @ 2015-12-16 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 402 bytes --] On 16/12/2015 06:01 +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > I am considering to go « full NNTP » for all my mailing-lists needs > (as long as it is possible). How is it better? I switched in the opposite direction some time ago. Mainly due to the reason that usually free software projects use mailing lists as official channel, not a newsgroup - so why use mail-to-news translation? Filipp [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 472 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-16 13:07 ` Filipp Gunbin @ 2015-12-16 15:44 ` Tim Landscheidt 2015-12-16 22:06 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Tim Landscheidt @ 2015-12-16 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@fastmail.fm> wrote: >> I am considering to go « full NNTP » for all my mailing-lists needs >> (as long as it is possible). > How is it better? > I switched in the opposite direction some time ago. Mainly due to the > reason that usually free software projects use mailing lists as official > channel, not a newsgroup - so why use mail-to-news translation? Complete archives, your MTA/MUA must only handle those mes- sages that you actually read, etc. Tim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: mail vs news 2015-12-16 13:07 ` Filipp Gunbin 2015-12-16 15:44 ` Tim Landscheidt @ 2015-12-16 22:06 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2015-12-16 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@fastmail.fm> writes: > On 16/12/2015 06:01 +0100, Xavier Maillard wrote: > >> I am considering to go « full NNTP » for all my mailing-lists needs >> (as long as it is possible). > > How is it better? This is what I am asking for ;) Actually, I can see at least these points: - - No need to sort/split my input feed; the articles are right in the right (nntp) group. - - Disk footprint on both my computers and my e-mail provider - - with gmane, it is likely that any mailing list you read frequently, has its gmane equivalent. - -- Xavier. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJWceBLAAoJEDy08nibbhJtuBIH/3K8voqCkwD2aO5OJTJfxoEk 0GMCTu9GmuWq9KNoT528S6pxwz4AAh1ttPUl0EGNVw3KRbk8e+AOhw/c9MX/71DZ FlaPuSWAJQXTefxqQ1cuJgdVtPzfGZpufYiUGByxSSPXUVISquYdmpwbH1EVLTUv hjnxTyutcfYumm+hxTAhn0vcrqhCAUbuMot82P3M55rq9SALmxj52FSJCq6iXV/Y fMp3mBo9lU4/PbnjnuQ0JuNTsjIfbW8IIv60OiHOf2BwxfrS0/rEdVMykPxHytKA vIy9zKCOsMa5OGvdHe4FWQyNgY/Ol8uXC0MVuiivOxlk7SXO7BIa6spbIRRfk2s= =DZaE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
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