From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80235 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 21:36:56 +0900 Message-ID: <87aa9bk6c7.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318077434 15634 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2011 12:37:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 08 14:37:10 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCW9M-0005Uj-3m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:37:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35523 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCW9L-0001RL-EH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 08:37:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:34185) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCW9I-0001RG-AV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 08:37:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCW9H-0002os-8B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 08:37:04 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:43488) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCW9G-0002om-Uu; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 08:37:03 -0400 Original-Received: from 61.245.23.167.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([61.245.23.167] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1RCW9B-0002mD-Tp; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 21:36:57 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E81B2DFB7; Sat, 8 Oct 2011 21:36:56 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 7 Oct 2011 23:17:35 -0700") Original-Lines: 19 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 203.216.5.74 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144739 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80235 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > Even if it works flawlessly, this "feature" should _not_ be the default. I agree. Besides the reasons you list, as I mentioned in my previous message, "simple" smtp may very well not work, even if the user knows the right hostname to use (as is the case with my ISP). _Allowing_ people to configure emacs to directly use SMTP is good; _defaulting_ to it is not, nor is prompting the user like it does currently (how many people will know how to respond to this unexpected series of prompts? what if they respond incorrectly?). -Miles -- Infancy, n. The period of our lives when, according to Wordsworth, 'Heaven lies about us.' The world begins lying about us pretty soon afterward.