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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:33:59 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87aasxmyo8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvhbn5rcix.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Stefan Monnier writes:

 > I know that's how it works.  But I don't know what [git's
 > automatic-detection-implementation of copy/rename] means in terms of
 > the behavior when merging changes, including addition/removal of files.
 > IIUC it understands movement of files, but does it understand movement
 > of directories (e.g. if Gnus adds a new file lisp/gnus-new.el, will it
 > appear in Emacs as lisp/gnus/gnus-new.el or lisp/gnu-new.el?; similarly
 > if Emacs adds a new file lisp/new.el will it appear in Gnus as
 > lisp/new.el?).

Bazaar can't handle that and won't anytime soon as a standard feature
(no support for nested trees, how to do it remains controversial among
the core Bazaar developers).  git supports that with submodules
(speaking theoretically, I haven't tried this at home), but the
subtrees represented by git submodules must have identical structure.

 > I don't personally care whether the moves&removal&adds are done on the
 > Bzr or Git side.  AFAIK it's as easy to do it on either side.

Not.  See above.  You can take your chances with one of the Bazaar
plugins (bzr-externals, scmproj), but given the level of demand for
this feature, the fact that none of lifeless, jam, or aaron have
jumped on it suggests that the chances are unhappy that you'll bet on
the right horse, and in any case the documentation will undoubtedly
suck because the semantics will be buried deep in the Python code.

OTOH, git has a standard, built-in feature, with well-defined-and-
documented, simple semantics.

 > It should be just as easy for a branch as for the trunk.

Maybe.  I worry about ghost revisions appearing when you do a git->bzr
sync, and that's where they are most likely since git users branch
with abandon then abandon the branches, while it's no fun to try to
work with Bazaar that way.  Note that ghost revisions causes nasty
bugs in bzr as recently as a few weeks ago.






  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-21  0:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-19 17:34 Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-19 18:21 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2010-04-19 19:13   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-21  8:50     ` Steinar Bang
2010-04-21  9:01       ` David Engster
2010-04-21  9:02         ` David Engster
2010-04-21 10:05       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-04-21 12:12         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-04-21 14:10           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-21 14:54             ` Andreas Schwab
2010-04-23  0:55               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-22  8:12           ` Steinar Bang
2010-04-19 19:17   ` Sven Joachim
2010-04-20 13:03 ` Harry Putnam
2010-04-20 13:29   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-20 13:57   ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found] ` <jwvr5mb8evr.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2010-04-20 13:55   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-20 15:00     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-20 20:05       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-20 22:28         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-20 23:44           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-21  3:16             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-21 11:03               ` Gnus Git synchronization with Emacs Bazaar (was: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19) Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-22  2:24                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-21  0:33           ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2010-04-21  0:51             ` The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-21  3:31               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-21  3:11             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-21  4:00               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-21  9:01           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-04-21  2:59         ` Teemu Likonen
2010-04-21 11:30           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2010-04-21 14:57             ` Teemu Likonen
2010-04-21 16:36               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2010-04-23  1:09         ` cgit beautification (was: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19) Ted Zlatanov
2011-02-25 22:04           ` cgit beautification Ted Zlatanov
2011-02-25 22:56             ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-02-25 23:19             ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-02-26 12:05               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-03-01 10:27               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-03-01 10:30                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-03-01 11:31                   ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-03-01 13:32                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-03-01 17:08                       ` Adam Sjøgren
2011-03-02 11:05                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-22  5:49     ` The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19 Harry Putnam
2010-04-23  0:36       ` Ted Zlatanov

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