From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/63612 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Please add pgg-discard-passphrase-cache Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:14:18 +0200 Message-ID: <87ac5jzsv9.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> References: <7isljcsgqx.fsf@lanthane.pps.jussieu.fr> <94dbb93a-f189-4ab0-80b7-c4f067fb2ed7@well-done.deisui.org> <87sljcaro9.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> <5595f934-8d29-456b-8e01-35ad426df461@well-done.deisui.org> <87veo8ymjf.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> <066b5281-8ea9-46df-986c-b0c4df6e5cb3@well-done.deisui.org> <87mz9jzyvu.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1157113095 21483 80.91.229.2 (1 Sep 2006 12:18:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Daiki Ueno , Juliusz Chroboczek , ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+m12139@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Sep 01 14:18:11 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ7yL-00065s-BX for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:18:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1GJ7yG-0001NK-00; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:18:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1GJ7uo-0001NF-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:14:30 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.227.211]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ7um-0004W3-J3 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:14:30 -0500 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net ([217.13.230.178] helo=yxa.extundo.com) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1GJ7uk-0005F8-00 for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:14:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id k81CEIm1020199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:14:19 +0200 Original-To: "Georg C. F. Greve" OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Hashcash: 1:22:060901:ding@gnus.org::yMl0I3oUe594ruiM:WMr X-Hashcash: 1:22:060901:ueno@unixuser.org::oonUqLncXpgPV7sY:6XYI X-Hashcash: 1:22:060901:jch@pps.jussieu.fr::zv2USh3r5pMriQaI:B42I X-Hashcash: 1:22:060901:greve@fsfeurope.org::oD07uBe/4SxwCnMf:CoVD In-Reply-To: (Georg C. F. Greve's message of "Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:38:31 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:63612 Archived-At: "Georg C. F. Greve" writes: > || On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:04:21 +0200 > || Simon Josefsson wrote: > > sj> I'm not sure it is a good idea to recommend an external package > sj> for PGP support again. Practically, that makes it more difficult > sj> to use PGP with Gnus, which defeats the goal of supporting PGP. > sj> What do others think? > > I agree with this assessment. > > That pgg.el no longer is the recommended way is surprising to me, and > indeed I'd never have found out if I hadn't been following this > discussion by pure chance. > > So if epg.el replaced pgg.el, the former should be added to the > distribution I agree. > and the latter should be moved/renamed in a way that makes it > clear this is deprecated and may disappear in future versions. We are not very good at removing features in Gnus. For example, Mailcrypt and gpg.el are still supported as PGP backends... We haven't even labeled one of them as unsupported yet. We probably should. I don't think we can reasonable mark PGG as obsolete until at least Emacs 23 is released (I'm assuming Emacs 23 will be the first release that ships with epg.el).