make dormant marks permanent (no gnus-summary-limit-to-registry)

make dormant marks permanent (no gnus-summary-limit-to-registry)

[Uwe Brauer]

Hi


Is there any way to make dormant marks permanent?
I add dormant marks to the messages of my imap group

But after closing gnus and restarting emacs they are gone.

Rationale

I want to use gnus-summary-limit-to-marks
to display certain message.


Another option would be to use the registry, but
gnus-summary-limit-to-registry does not exist and seems difficult to
implement, at least I was unable to do it.


Regards

Uwe Brauer 

Re: make dormant marks permanent (no gnus-summary-limit-to-registry)

[Andreas Schwab]

On Jun 06 2025, Uwe Brauer wrote:

> Is there any way to make dormant marks permanent?
> I add dormant marks to the messages of my imap group

That should work out of the box, if your imap server allows storing
arbitrary permanent flags.  See nnimap-mark-alist.

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Re: make dormant marks permanent (no gnus-summary-limit-to-registry)

[James Cloos]

>>>>> "UB" == Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

UB> Is there any way to make dormant marks permanent?
UB> I add dormant marks to the messages of my imap group

Since the commit Lars pushed which ended newsrc.eld storage of marks for
imap groups, persistance of any mark, including dormant, is solely
dependent on the imap server.

when that change happened, i was using an imap server which could only
support the fixed set of marks in the imap rfc.

so tick -- which uses the standard imap keyword Flagged -- would persist.

dormant, however, is a gnus-specific keyword (gnus-dormant).
so it would not persist.

i now use dovecot, which supports arbitrary keywords.  so now dormant
persists for me.  as it used to back when all of the marks were stored
in ~/.newrc.eld.

so your only options are an imap server capable of storing arbitrary
keywords, hack you current imap server to support the gnus-dormant
keyword, or hack gnus to save dormant in .newrc.eld.

(in the latter case it would be best to store locally only for imap
servers which cannot store arbitrary imap keywords.)

-JimC
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Re: make dormant marks permanent (no gnus-summary-limit-to-registry)

[Uwe Brauer]

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>>> "JC" == James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> writes:

>>>>>> "UB" == Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
UB> Is there any way to make dormant marks permanent?
UB> I add dormant marks to the messages of my imap group

> Since the commit Lars pushed which ended newsrc.eld storage of marks for
> imap groups, persistance of any mark, including dormant, is solely
> dependent on the imap server.


I didn't know this, do you remember which commit that was. I am still
using 29.4 but it seems that my «!» Marks are saved.


> when that change happened, i was using an imap server which could only
> support the fixed set of marks in the imap rfc.

> so tick -- which uses the standard imap keyword Flagged -- would persist.

> dormant, however, is a gnus-specific keyword (gnus-dormant).
> so it would not persist.

> i now use dovecot, which supports arbitrary keywords.  so now dormant
> persists for me.  as it used to back when all of the marks were stored
> in ~/.newrc.eld.

> so your only options are an imap server capable of storing arbitrary
> keywords, hack you current imap server to support the gnus-dormant
> keyword, or hack gnus to save dormant in .newrc.eld.

> (in the latter case it would be best to store locally only for imap
> servers which cannot store arbitrary imap keywords.)

I am depending on my university server which finally is a gmail imap
server.


Thanks, in principle from a user point of view I would also be happy with
registry marks, instead of dormant marks. 

Those are also saved (but in .gnus.registry.eieio), however writing a
gnus-summary-limit-to-registry function is too difficult for me at the
moment....

> -JimC

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