From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88721 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Proposed new introductory section to the Gnus manual Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 20:34:12 -0400 Message-ID: <87blwmuh6j.fsf@dick.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> References: <87o90mm4x2.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="120671"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M36925@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Aug 19 02:35:08 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hzVdc-000VD6-30 for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 02:35:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hzVd4-0004pv-JW; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:34:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hzVcy-0004n7-98 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:34:28 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hzVcw-0007zQ-9X for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:34:28 -0500 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226] helo=blaine.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hzVcs-0003sm-E5 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 02:34:24 +0200 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hzVcr-000USo-G3 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 02:34:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:/kkwz5p5SqaX1r0YGzDjx/dayXo= List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88721 Archived-At: Disclaimer: I want to be brief, not abrasive (but the two are often conflated). The monograph is half "Tao of Gnus", quarter "basic commands", and quarter "setup detail". The "Tao" part can be much shorter. For instance: > Gnus treats mail and news uniformly as categorized message queues. One can > think of a mail folder or mailing list as isomorphic to a newsgroup. > Threads are identical in both realms. Traditionally, however, users prefer > keeping "TODO" mails at the top of their inbox, and here the mail-news > abstraction fails as Gnus *qua* newsreader does its best to hide what's > already been seen. Boom, onto the next chapter: "Basic Commands" should essentially be a `C-h m` dump of the Gnus keymap, with very little prose. Setup options (every sentence ending in "see XXX") need not be mentioned, as they all get their own chapters. One attracts users by making things easy, not boring. Your monograph contains a level of detail that's not appreciable until users actually start using Gnus.