From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/85311 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mutt/Gnus hybrid for mail? Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 19:20:29 -0500 Message-ID: <87bnndsmgi.fsf@yale.edu> References: <87egs952jy.fsf@micropit.roche-blanche.homenet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418084643 8651 80.91.229.3 (9 Dec 2014 00:24:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 00:24:03 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M33555@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Dec 09 01:23:57 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8am-0002gC-Mv for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 01:23:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8ag-0000Xm-Ib; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:23:46 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8af-0000Xa-88 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:23:45 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8ae-0007MJ-3P for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:23:45 -0600 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8ac-000113-N3 for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 01:23:42 +0100 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8ac-0002bc-E5 for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 01:23:42 +0100 Original-Received: from nat-130-132-173-32.central.yale.edu ([130.132.173.32]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 01:23:42 +0100 Original-Received: from jorge.alfaro-murillo by nat-130-132-173-32.central.yale.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 01:23:42 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 60 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nat-130-132-173-32.central.yale.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:rpAap0zCX3G8luF13D97JgraH/A= X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:85311 Archived-At: Peter Davis writes: > Most significantly, since I only use mutt or gnus for email, I > find mutt more intuitive, since its commands, etc. were designed > for email. "Delete" instead of "Expire", etc. (BTW, I'm using > both with Fastmail.fm IMAP.) If you use IMAP perhaps you should move the messages to the Trash group instead of expiring them. I think that expiring fits more to handling your email like news, meaning, you only read what it is not read, and leave everything in the server. You don't worry about deleting things and just for space issues you expire things that are very old. Of course there are things that require your attention later, and that you want to keep showing as news. For those you use ticks (key "!"). > Also, when I delete/expire a message, mutt automatically > displays the next unread message in the folder. Gnus requires > another keystroke. (Not a big deal, but annoying.) You could assign a key to a function like this: #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (defun my-gnus-summary-delete-article () (interactive) (gnus-summary-move-article nil "nnimap+Fastmail.fm:Trash") (gnus-summary-next-unread-article)) #+END_SRC "nnimap+Fastmai.fml:Trash" is just a guess, you should use whatever your group is called. > I have not managed to get gnus to display previously read > messages in a thread automatically, though I've messed around > with (setq gnus-fetch-old-headers t). I gather this is > inconsistent on IMAP servers, and slow. Maybe try setting #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (setq gnus-refer-thread-use-nnir t) #+END_SRC And then use "A T" when you need it. With 99% of the people using a TOFU (Text Over, Fullquote Under) style, most of the time you do not need to see the whole thread since it appears in the latest email. > Anyway, customatizations are unlikely to improve performance. > Mutt seems faster at downloading messages, etc. I would also like to hear about ways to improve performance. Best, -- Jorge.