From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/80231 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:17:22 +0200 Message-ID: <87botrj3sd.fsf@randomsample.de> References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318061856 13896 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2011 08:17:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 08:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "'Chong Yidong'" , "'Miles Bader'" , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: ding-owner+M28521@lists.math.uh.edu Sat Oct 08 10:17:32 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCS68-00012z-1g for ding-account@gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:17:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RCS66-0006Md-Sm; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:17:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RCS65-0006MQ-Nn for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:17:29 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RCS64-0008DZ-8i for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:17:29 -0500 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([83.169.19.17]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RCS61-0001ey-Kd for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:17:25 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=u2/TVNc/vs59J5BunGsXwXUu+BSjeXBwz5snlbloEow=; b=BKr9Fvjoru9yCfz5bLb38YI4PrSqRI3HlHQqPahUmKYFZq5ZOsHK+hqIZ3t37eOT33n5M8sH9gHdA0Bb1jRiuzbZqNM/1AVI5GleBJXmSoOEBmyfpHQCR/3VTenWJdyX; Original-Received: from dslc-082-083-056-245.pools.arcor-ip.net ([82.83.56.245] helo=spaten) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RCS60-00036S-Fu; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:17:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 7 Oct 2011 23:17:35 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Mail-Followup-To: "Drew Adams" , "'Chong Yidong'" , "'Miles Bader'" , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80231 gmane.emacs.devel:144734 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > Why does emacs _keep_ asking me if I want to "Set up Emacs >> > for sending SMTP mail"?! I kept answer "n" to this question >> >> I can't reproduce this. The first time I answer "n", it customizes >> send-mail-function and saves that variable to the init file. This >> should prevent the question from recurring. Could you try to >> figure out what's causing that to fail? > > Even if it works flawlessly, this "feature" should _not_ be the default. > > In particular, it is ridiculous that a user trying to send a simple bug report > with `emacs -Q' has to run through the extra hurdle of this inane, possibly > confusing, and error-prone dialog ("yes"; edit the `From' line; "n"). I cannot > believe this silliness has gone on this long already. For the record: I remember the first time I tried to send a bug report at my old institute on a GNU/Linux machine. The result was a mail with something like a "funny" mail-host-not-set-so-tickle-me or something somewhere, leading to a a phone call from IT asking what I could possibly be doing. So at least I think the new behavior is better. -David