From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/58309 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: standard-display-european Date: 21 Aug 2004 21:22:54 -0400 Sender: emacs-pretest-bug-bounces+gebp-emacs-pretest-bug=gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87brh40y4j.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> References: <20040813023151.GF18130@boetes.org> <20040819230543.GB16069@boetes.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1093137835 30021 80.91.224.253 (22 Aug 2004 01:23:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: emacs-pretest-bug-bounces+gebp-emacs-pretest-bug=gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 22 03:23:48 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Byh5H-00065s-00 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 03:23:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Byh9f-0002JI-D8 for gebp-emacs-pretest-bug@gmane.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:28:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Byh9c-0002J2-7V for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:28:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Byh9a-0002Ie-NK for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:28:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Byh9a-0002IU-J1 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:28:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [209.226.175.74] (helo=tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Byh4f-0005dR-Jk; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:23:09 -0400 Original-Received: from alfajor ([67.71.117.88]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20040822012308.TFGN19123.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@alfajor>; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:23:08 -0400 Original-Received: by alfajor (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 753D8D7407; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Reiner Steib In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: emacs-pretest-bug.gnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-pretest-bug-bounces+gebp-emacs-pretest-bug=gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:3748 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:58309 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:58309 > My impression is that most people don't really want > `standard-display-european'. They only have it in their init files > because it was useful (for Europeans) in Emacs 19 (or earlier?). > There were many reports in newsgroups during the last years about > "Emacs doesn't treat Umlaut characters correctly"; IIRC all were > perfectly happy after removing `standard-display-european' from their > init file. Completely agreed. We've actually changed standard-display-european in Emacs-CVS to make fewer changes (to be closer to just setting up a latin-1 environment), but we should probably go yet a bit further. The main problem is that it changed the default value of enable-multibyte-characters (i.e. it puts Emacs in unibyte mode). I suggest we get rid of this part of standard-display-european. Stefan