Re: Losing `expirable' marks in nnimap groups

[Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca>]

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Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> Dan Christensen <jdc+news@uwo.ca> writes:
>
>> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>>
>>> I enter a group, mark the last couple of messages as expirable, hit
>>> M-g.  The messages are back, not marked as expirable anymore.  (They
>>> are not marked as read, either.)
>>>
>>> Is anyone seeing this?
>>
>> Yes, I see it too, with:
>
> What's the *imap-log* output when this happen?

Hmm, I can't reproduce this anymore.  I may have been remembering
wrong.  Instead, let me mention some other things.

1) If I send one mail message to my imap account, Gnus will think
   there are three unread messages in my INBOX.  In general, Gnus is
   off by a factor of three.  A copy of the *imap-log* buffer is
   below.  I wouldn't be surprised if this is something weird about
   the server I'm accessing.

2) I have two machines each running Gnus, and both access the imap
   server.  If I delete articles in one copy of Gnus, then start the
   other copy, it thinks there are more unread articles than there
   really are.

3) Similar, if I mark articles as expirable on one machine, and then
   start Gnus on the other, it thinks the articles are just marked
   as read, not expired.  Maybe this is just how nnimap works, but
   a quick glance through the documentation didn't find this.

4) The nnimap docs say:

`nnimap-expunge-on-close'
     ... when you delete a article in Gnus (with `G DEL' or
     similar).

   Should that be `B DEL'?

5) The nnimap docs say:

`nnimap-importantize-dormant'
     If non-nil, marks dormant articles as ticked (as well), for other
     IMAP clients. Within Gnus, dormant articles will naturally still
     (only) be marked as ticked.  
                         ^^^^^^

    ticked or dormant?

    Also, the docs should say what the default is.

Dan


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* OK Microsoft Exchange 2000 IMAP4rev1 server version 6.0.4712.0 (SATURN.pi.local) ready.
1 CAPABILITY
* CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 IDLE LOGIN-REFERRALS MAILBOX-REFERRALS NAMESPACE LITERAL+ UIDPLUS CHILDREN AUTH=NTLM
1 OK CAPABILITY completed.
2 CAPABILITY
* CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 IDLE LOGIN-REFERRALS MAILBOX-REFERRALS NAMESPACE LITERAL+ UIDPLUS CHILDREN AUTH=NTLM
2 OK CAPABILITY completed.
3 LOGIN "dchristensen" "password"
3 OK LOGIN completed.
4 STATUS "Deleted Items" (uidnext)
5 STATUS "Sent Items" (uidnext)
6 STATUS "Outbox" (uidnext)
7 STATUS "INBOX" (uidnext)
8 STATUS "Drafts" (uidnext)
9 EXAMINE "Drafts"
* STATUS "Deleted Items" (UIDNEXT 1)
4 OK STATUS completed.
* STATUS "Sent Items" (UIDNEXT 42)
5 OK STATUS completed.
* STATUS Outbox (UIDNEXT 79)
6 OK STATUS completed.
* STATUS INBOX (UIDNEXT 248)
7 OK STATUS completed.
* STATUS Drafts (UIDNEXT 1)
8 OK STATUS completed.
* 0 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* FLAGS (\Seen \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft $MDNSent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Permanent flags
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 3113] UIDVALIDITY value
9 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed.
10 EXAMINE "INBOX"
* 2 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* FLAGS (\Seen \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft $MDNSent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Permanent flags
* OK [UNSEEN 2] Is the first unseen message
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 3100] UIDVALIDITY value
10 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed.
11 FETCH 1,* UID
* 1 FETCH (UID 244)
* 2 FETCH (UID 247)
11 OK FETCH completed.
12 STATUS "INBOX" (uidnext)
* STATUS INBOX (UIDNEXT 248)
12 OK STATUS completed.
13 EXAMINE "Outbox"
* 0 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* FLAGS (\Seen \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft $MDNSent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Permanent flags
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 3101] UIDVALIDITY value
13 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed.
14 STATUS "Outbox" (uidnext)
* STATUS Outbox (UIDNEXT 79)
14 OK STATUS completed.
15 EXAMINE "Sent Items"
* 0 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* FLAGS (\Seen \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft $MDNSent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Permanent flags
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 3102] UIDVALIDITY value
15 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed.
16 STATUS "Sent Items" (uidnext)
* STATUS "Sent Items" (UIDNEXT 42)
16 OK STATUS completed.
17 EXAMINE "Deleted Items"
* 0 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* FLAGS (\Seen \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft $MDNSent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Permanent flags
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 3103] UIDVALIDITY value
17 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed.
18 STATUS "Deleted Items" (uidnext)
* STATUS "Deleted Items" (UIDNEXT 1)
18 OK STATUS completed.
19 SELECT "INBOX"
* 2 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* FLAGS (\Seen \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft $MDNSent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Seen \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft $MDNSent)] Permanent flags
* OK [UNSEEN 2] Is the first unseen message
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 3100] UIDVALIDITY value
19 OK [READ-WRITE] SELECT completed.
20 UID SEARCH UNSEEN UNDELETED
* SEARCH 247
20 OK SEARCH completed.
21 UID SEARCH SEEN
* SEARCH 244
21 OK SEARCH completed.
22 UID SEARCH FLAGGED
* SEARCH
22 OK SEARCH completed.
23 UID SEARCH ANSWERED
* SEARCH
23 OK SEARCH completed.
24 UID SEARCH RECENT
* SEARCH
24 OK SEARCH completed.
25 UID FETCH 1:243,245:247 (UID RFC822.SIZE BODY BODY.PEEK[HEADER.FIELDS (Subject From Date Message-Id References In-Reply-To Xref To Keywords Newsgroups)])
* 2 FETCH (UID 247 RFC822.SIZE 1962 BODY ("TEXT" "PLAIN" ("charset" "iso-8859-1") NIL NIL "QUOTED-PRINTABLE" 6 1) BODY[HEADER.FIELDS (Subject From Date Message-Id References In-Reply-To Xref To Keywords Newsgroups)] {198}
Subject: testing imap
From: "Dan Christensen" <jdc@uwo.ca>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:50:06 -0400
Message-ID: <871yaf1o01.fsf@uwo.ca>
To: "Dan Christensen" <dchristensen@perimeterinstitute.ca>

)
25 OK FETCH completed.
26 UID STORE 245:247 +FLAGS (\Seen)
* 2 FETCH (FLAGS (\Seen) UID 247)
26 OK STORE completed.
27 EXPUNGE
* 2 EXISTS
27 OK EXPUNGE completed.
28 UID SEARCH UNSEEN UNDELETED
* SEARCH
28 OK SEARCH completed.
29 UID SEARCH SEEN
* SEARCH 244 247
29 OK SEARCH completed.
30 UID SEARCH FLAGGED
* SEARCH
30 OK SEARCH completed.
31 UID SEARCH ANSWERED
* SEARCH
31 OK SEARCH completed.
32 UID SEARCH RECENT
* SEARCH
32 OK SEARCH completed.
33 FETCH 1,* UID
* 1 FETCH (UID 244)
* 2 FETCH (UID 247)
33 OK FETCH completed.
34 EXPUNGE
* 2 EXISTS
34 OK EXPUNGE completed.
35 LOGOUT
* BYE Microsoft Exchange 2000 IMAP4rev1 server version 6.0.4712.0 signing off.
35 OK LOGOUT completed.