nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[Divya Ranjan]

Hello,

Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs or just gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server, whether nntp or nnimap, and then when you open a group that’s requesting that server, it takes forever to load. Is this one of those things that you have to swallow with Gnus, or is there some hack?

Regards,
-- 
Divya Ranjan,
Philosophy, Mathematics, Libre Software.

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[NNTP Surfer]

Divya Ranjan <divya@subvertising.org> writes:

> Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs
> or just gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server,

Had the same thing. Just set low connection timeout to quickly renew
connections:

#begin_src emacs-lisp
gnus-select-method '(nntp "xxx"
                    (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream)
                    (nntp-port-number 563)
                    (nntp-address "xxx")
                    (nntp-connection-timeout 5))
#end_src

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[Gijs Hillenius]

On 22 October 2024 03:44 NNTP Surfer, wrote:

> Divya Ranjan <divya@subvertising.org> writes:
>
>> Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs
>> or just gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server,
>
> Had the same thing. Just set low connection timeout to quickly renew
> connections:
>
> #begin_src emacs-lisp
> gnus-select-method '(nntp "xxx"
>                     (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream)
>                     (nntp-port-number 563)
>                     (nntp-address "xxx")
>                     (nntp-connection-timeout 5))
> #end_src
>
>
>

from:

https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=71452

this seems to suggest that 

(setq read-process-output-fast nil)


would work?

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[NNTP Surfer]

Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net> writes:

> On 22 October 2024 03:44 NNTP Surfer, wrote:
> from:
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=71452
> this seems to suggest that 
> (setq read-process-output-fast nil)
> would work?

No.
I've made test:
1. Set (setq fast-read-process-output nil) globally.
2. Commented every (nntp-connection-timeout 5) to bring back default
setting.
3. Restarted Emacs.
4. Gnus hanged on connection to news.gwene.org

Only using (nntp-connection-timeout 5) fixes this problem for me.

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[Gijs Hillenius]

On 24 October 2024 05:20 NNTP Surfer, wrote:

> Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net> writes:
>
>> On 22 October 2024 03:44 NNTP Surfer, wrote:
>> from:
>> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=71452
>> this seems to suggest that 
>> (setq read-process-output-fast nil)
>> would work?
>
> No.
> I've made test:
> 1. Set (setq fast-read-process-output nil) globally.
> 2. Commented every (nntp-connection-timeout 5) to bring back default
> setting.
> 3. Restarted Emacs.


^^ did fast-read-process-output survive?

For me, setting this has so far kept my Gnus alive for four hours non
stop. But yes, that is just one datapoint.

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[Divya Ranjan]

NNTP Surfer <nntpsurfer@op.pl> writes:

> Divya Ranjan <divya@subvertising.org> writes:
>
>> Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs
>> or just gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server,
>
> Had the same thing. Just set low connection timeout to quickly renew
> connections:
>
> #begin_src emacs-lisp
> gnus-select-method '(nntp "xxx"
>                     (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream)
>                     (nntp-port-number 563)
>                     (nntp-address "xxx")
>                     (nntp-connection-timeout 5))
> #end_src

Thank you for this, it seems to have fixed it for nntp connections, but what about nnimap?

-- 
Divya Ranjan,
Philosophy, Mathematics, Libre Software.

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[Stephen Berman]

On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 04:59:04 +0000 Divya Ranjan <divya@subvertising.org> wrote:

> Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs or just
> gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server, whether nntp or
> nnimap, and then when you open a group that’s requesting that server, it takes
> forever to load. Is this one of those things that you have to swallow with
> Gnus, or is there some hack?

At least concerning nntp this sounds like bug#52735 (which I continue to
experience); see also the thread beginning at
<https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnus-english/2023-06/msg00014.html>.

I use the following hack, added to my ~/.emacs.d/.gnus.el file:

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
(defun srb-gnus-group-get-new-news (&optional arg one-level)
  (interactive "P")
  (with-timeout (1 (kill-buffer (nntp-find-connection-buffer
                                 nntp-server-buffer))
		   (gnus-group-get-new-news))
    (gnus-group-get-new-news arg one-level)))

(defun srb-gnus-summary-next-unread-article ()
  (interactive)
  (with-timeout (1 (kill-buffer (nntp-find-connection-buffer
                                 nntp-server-buffer))
		   (gnus-summary-next-unread-article))
    (gnus-summary-next-unread-article)))

(defun srb-gnus-summary-next-page (&optional lines circular stop)
  (interactive "P")
  (with-timeout (1 (kill-buffer (nntp-find-connection-buffer
                                 nntp-server-buffer))
		   (gnus-summary-next-page))
    (gnus-summary-next-page lines circular stop)))

(defun srb-gnus-summary-scroll-up (lines)
  (interactive "P")
  (with-timeout (1 (kill-buffer (nntp-find-connection-buffer
                                 nntp-server-buffer))
		   (gnus-summary-scroll-up lines))
    (gnus-summary-scroll-up lines)))

(define-key gnus-group-mode-map "g" 'srb-gnus-group-get-new-news)
(define-key gnus-summary-mode-map "n" 'srb-gnus-summary-next-unread-article)
(define-key gnus-summary-mode-map " " 'srb-gnus-summary-next-page)
(define-key gnus-summary-mode-map "\r" 'gnus-summary-scroll-up)
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

But this is brittle and doesn't always work.  If you find a real
solution, I'd be interested to see it.

Steve Berman

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[Jakub Ječmínek]

"Divya Ranjan" <divya@subvertising.org> writes:

> Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs or just
> gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server, whether nntp or
> nnimap, and then when you open a group that’s requesting that server, it takes
> forever to load. Is this one of those things that you have to swallow with
> Gnus, or is there some hack?

Hi, I believe this is known issue. Here's the link with the bug report:

https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=16026

Best,

Kuba

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[Gijs Hillenius]

On 22 October 2024 19:07 Jakub Ječmínek, wrote:

> "Divya Ranjan" <divya@subvertising.org> writes:
>
>> Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs or just
>> gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server, whether nntp or
>> nnimap, and then when you open a group that’s requesting that server, it takes
>> forever to load. Is this one of those things that you have to swallow with
>> Gnus, or is there some hack?
>
> Hi, I believe this is known issue. Here's the link with the bug report:
>
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=16026
>

it's this (or it's related, or a duplicate)

https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=52735

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[Gijs Hillenius]

On 23 October 2024 13:50 Gijs Hillenius, wrote:

> On 22 October 2024 19:07 Jakub Ječmínek, wrote:
>
>> "Divya Ranjan" <divya@subvertising.org> writes:
>>
>>> Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs or just
>>> gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server, whether nntp or
>>> nnimap, and then when you open a group that’s requesting that server, it takes
>>> forever to load. Is this one of those things that you have to swallow with
>>> Gnus, or is there some hack?
>>
>> Hi, I believe this is known issue. Here's the link with the bug report:
>>
>> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=16026
>>
>
> it's this (or it's related, or a duplicate)
>
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=52735

and

https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=71452

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[Bob Newell]

> Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs
> or just gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server,

What I do is run a 'keepalive' every 5 minutes to quickly poke
the server and maintain the connection.  You can do this with
a run-with-timer although I prefer to do it outside of emacs
with a bash script.

-- 
Bob Newell
Honolulu, Hawai`i

- Via GNU-Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[Alberto Luaces]

Bob Newell writes:

>> Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs
>> or just gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server,
>
> What I do is run a 'keepalive' every 5 minutes to quickly poke
> the server and maintain the connection.  You can do this with
> a run-with-timer although I prefer to do it outside of emacs
> with a bash script.

I do something along those lines with the following in my gnus.el (but
it could be anywhere else):

(gnus-demon-add-handler 'gnus-demon-scan-news 15 t)

-- 
Alberto

Re: nntp and nnimap disconnect and take forever when emacs is idle

[James Thomas]

Divya Ranjan wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does anyone else also experience this, when they’ve left their Emacs
> or just gnus idle for sometime, it disconnects from the server,
> whether nntp or nnimap, and then when you open a group that’s
> requesting that server, it takes forever to load. Is this one of those
> things that you have to swallow with Gnus, or is there some hack?

You can close the connection(s) when idle. See (info "(gnus) Daemons").

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