From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88795 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: New option gnus-use-atomic-windows Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 11:39:29 -0700 Message-ID: <87d0fqkgbi.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <8736gpayi1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87ef08ywmj.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <87pnjruhvf.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <8xx5zljhr5m.fsf@jfi.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="252306"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M36999@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Sep 23 20:40:23 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTG1-0013VU-Vv for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:40:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTFr-0007Wd-9o; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:40:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTFo-0007U0-OW for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:40:08 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTFn-0007A4-Ar for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:40:08 -0500 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226] helo=blaine.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTFj-00020Q-Md for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:40:05 +0200 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCTFh-0013EA-Tu for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:40:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:qdhpEtTPmxWPHYrFJwWCNJZ4pGI= List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88795 Archived-At: Brent Busby writes: > Eric S Fraga writes: > >> I am struggling to see the advantage of gnus-use-atomic-windows. Can >> somebody (Eric?) illustrate a benefit (other than helm, as mentioned >> earlier, which I don't use)? In a day of testing so far, it has >> gotten in the way... Maybe (definitely) I'm missing the point. > > My two cents: > > Probably the benefit is just that unlike almost any other Emacs > application, Gnus doesn't let you use windows (in the Emacs sense of the > word, not frames) to use it at the same time while you're also looking > at something else. Any attempts to do that will be foiled just as soon > as you do just about anything in Gnus. When I want to do that, I > usually just open a new frame so Gnus can have one dedicated to it, but > I'm running Emacs in X, so it's nice that I have frames. If I were on a > VTY console, I'd have to just live with Gnus owning my whole display > when I'm using it. > > gnus-use-atomic-windows seems to be an attempt to correct that, and let > Gnus share frame space nicely with the buffers of things that don't > belong to Gnus. But we've been living with this for so long that we've > sort of adapted to things the way they have always been (typical Emacs > users, huh?), and thus gnus-use-atomic-windows brings its own problems. Yeah, that was the direction I was headed. Recent Emacs also have the concept of "side windows", and I'm still hoping that some combination of side windows and atomic windows can get us to a place where Gnus can have its nicely-configured multi-window layout either occupying a whole frame, or part of a frame, and other Emacs activities won't interfere with that. But that will probably take a while to achieve.