Gnus startup problems?

Gnus startup problems?

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

With the latest tweaks to smtpmail.el, it seems like it's pretty easy to
start reading (and sending) mail in Gnus these days.

emacs -Q
(setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "smtp.gmail.com"))
`M-x gnus'

And then everything should just work.  And it does work for me, but does
it work for you?  From a blank slate?

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Re: Gnus startup problems?

[Antoine Levitt]

09/02/12 23:47, Lars Ingebrigtsen
> With the latest tweaks to smtpmail.el, it seems like it's pretty easy to
> start reading (and sending) mail in Gnus these days.
>
> emacs -Q
> (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "smtp.gmail.com"))
> `M-x gnus'
>
> And then everything should just work.  And it does work for me, but does
> it work for you?  From a blank slate?

As apache would say, It works!

It does not keep the username/password in memory though; is that by
design?

Re: Gnus startup problems?

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com> writes:

> It does not keep the username/password in memory though; is that by
> design?

It should have offered to save the password -- didn't it?

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Re: Gnus startup problems?

[Antoine Levitt]

10/02/12 04:30, Lars Ingebrigtsen
> Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> It does not keep the username/password in memory though; is that by
>> design?
>
> It should have offered to save the password -- didn't it?

It did - in authinfo. I answered "n" in order not to mess up my config,
and it prompted me for the password again when I opened a
folder. Presumably it could have saved it in memory, even if I didn't
write it in authinfo. But that's very minor.

Re: Gnus startup problems?

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com> writes:

> It did - in authinfo. I answered "n" in order not to mess up my config,
> and it prompted me for the password again when I opened a
> folder. Presumably it could have saved it in memory, even if I didn't
> write it in authinfo.

Yes, it probably should have.  Ted?

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auth-source for new users (was: Gnus startup problems?)

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:28:23 +0100 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote: 

LI> Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com> writes:
>> It did - in authinfo. I answered "n" in order not to mess up my config,
>> and it prompted me for the password again when I opened a
>> folder. Presumably it could have saved it in memory, even if I didn't
>> write it in authinfo.

LI> Yes, it probably should have.  Ted?

(to anyone interested, we're talking about new users with no auth-source
setup, not those who have already set up an authinfo file as suggested
by the auth-source docs)

We're discussing this in an emacs bug thread.  I'm not sure what's the
right solution here.  There's valid scenarios for:

1) keeping the username+password in memory only (easy to implement!)

2) saving them to a keychain immediately

3) saving them to a netrc/authinfo file immediately

4) saving all credentials to a netrc/authinfo file later, keeping them
in memory now

I favor (4) but Stefan Monnier likes (2) and keychains in general, and
there seems to be no consensus on what's best.  So any opinions are
welcome.

Ted

Re: auth-source for new users

[Michael Albinus]

Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

> (to anyone interested, we're talking about new users with no auth-source
> setup, not those who have already set up an authinfo file as suggested
> by the auth-source docs)
>
> We're discussing this in an emacs bug thread.  I'm not sure what's the
> right solution here.  There's valid scenarios for:
>
> 1) keeping the username+password in memory only (easy to implement!)
>
> 2) saving them to a keychain immediately
>
> 3) saving them to a netrc/authinfo file immediately
>
> 4) saving all credentials to a netrc/authinfo file later, keeping them
> in memory now
>
> I favor (4) but Stefan Monnier likes (2) and keychains in general, and
> there seems to be no consensus on what's best.  So any opinions are
> welcome.

I'm in favour of (1) for *new* users. (2) is also OK, if there is a keychain.

(3) and (4) would be surprising to new users.

> Ted

Best regards, Michael.

Re: auth-source for new users

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

> We're discussing this in an emacs bug thread.  I'm not sure what's the
> right solution here.  There's valid scenarios for:
>
> 1) keeping the username+password in memory only (easy to implement!)
>
> 2) saving them to a keychain immediately
>
> 3) saving them to a netrc/authinfo file immediately
>
> 4) saving all credentials to a netrc/authinfo file later, keeping them
> in memory now

Well, the user if prompted.  I think it might be reasonable to just add
another letter at the prompt that is "don't save, but remember for this
session only".  Sorta 1).

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