From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/81305 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: GCC field with `mail-user-agent' set to 'gnus-user-agent Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:40:01 +0100 Message-ID: <87d39mifry.fsf@web.de> References: <87zkcspttm.fsf@web.de> <87haz0pnex.fsf@gnus.org> <87r4y4wgz6.fsf@web.de> <87r4y3lpf1.fsf@gnus.org> <87zkcr39eq.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: ding@lists.math.uh.edu, michael_heerdegen@web.de NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328906417 16711 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2012 20:40:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:40:17 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@lists.math.uh.edu Original-X-From: ding-owner+M29585@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Feb 10 21:40:16 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RvxGS-0001vH-5T for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:40:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RvxFB-0002Xp-5t; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:38:57 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RvxF9-0002Xd-Uf for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:38:55 -0600 Original-Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RvxEz-00006x-DH for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:38:55 -0600 Original-Received: from moweb002.kundenserver.de (moweb002.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.108]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB65E1B0E9219 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:38:40 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from snow.dragon ([82.113.121.242]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lp7HY-1SPXMg3Zo4-00fgY8; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:38:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zkcr39eq.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:54:21 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:2mC4tbu35qJVtPNuYi24LPgRjXfKaQFlf4bIQf9ReqJ XUHceU62TpX4aUddAn2eK7uBIAM3nlOx53BOmho9ZPtT6ypQGJ YaTT+Z6o9VzyuJDTKmzBHCKURClTyh/IKNTbQhP0ZcjhKM/x8l 7PB6bvk+zH12Cnie6FrTctVXXQHONxkNyZzC3P59mxkOFXiKtw 4uhv6l1pL44OOFr8lJNH1z4wwdYjHaAf12+RzWMyw8= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:81305 Archived-At: > > How about making `gnus-user-agent' run `message-user-agent' when > > Gnus is not alive? > > That's a good idea. I've now done this. I must say that I'm skeptical about this solution. I'm new to the Gnus interna, so maybe I'm missing the point. But, seemingly, we don't win much comfort with this solution. More important, the situation we have is distracting. The user might think (like I did) that he gains functionality from Gnus we he sets mail-user-agent to 'gnus-user-agent. I, as a user, would not expect that this only works if I'm already in Gnus. Just an opinion, of course. For users which have always a running Gnus in their Emacs session, your solution makes sense. For users who only start Gnus and then quit it after reading, IMO it doesn't. If you keep the current solution, please try to make the docs a bit clearer, where appropriate. E.g. the docstring of `mail-user-agent': Valid values include: [...] `gnus-user-agent' -- like `message-user-agent', but with Gnus paraphernalia, particularly the Gcc: header for archiving. should then tell the user that he gets the paraphernalia only if Gnus is running. Michael.