Re: message-yank-original issue

[Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com>]

14/03/11 20:47, Ted Zlatanov
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:38:06 +0100 Antoine Levitt
> <antoine.levitt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> AL> Woops, this one is my fault. Sorry, I didn't think about that.
>
> Yeah I didn't notice it either.  Is my patch a correct fix?

I think so, it's functionally equivalent to the old code (I'm always
confused about the = vs eq vs eql vs equal vs equalp bit (do we really
need FIVE subtly different comparison functions?), but both 'equal' and
'eq' are equivalent in this case - although comparison is done with
equal in another part of the code)

>
> Also recently users reported on gnu.emacs.help (and I can confirm) that
> the cursor in a reply is below the citation line but above the cited
> text.  Is that related?  It's funny, I didn't even notice that behavior
> until I saw the report...  My fingers took care of the motion on their
> own.

I'm not sure what you mean. Wasn't this the case before? I always had
this behaviour, and that was part of the motivation for the patch. To be
clear, we're talking about

14/03/11 20:47, Ted Zlatanov
POINT HERE> On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:38:06 +0100 Antoine Levitt

right?

Looking at the thread on gnu.emacs.help, it seems to be an user asking
about the option of replying above the quoted text (igniting the troll
with "But normally, we will say hello first, right?" :) ), so I think
what he wants is to set the new variable to 'above.

>
> AL> Any reason why cl isn't loaded by default, by the way? And is it
> AL> considered bad practice for packages to require cl?
>
> For non-Gnus code (and message.el recently became a standalone part of
> Emacs, loaded without Gnus) it's better to be prudent and stay away from
> CL functions and macros.

But what's the rationale behind not loading it as part of the standard
emacs load? Is it a loading time issue? The command

time emacs -nw -Q --eval "(require 'cl)" --eval "(kill-emacs)"

does not appear to be noticeably longer than the same one without cl, on
the two machines I've tried. (but maybe they're both too fast to measure
it)