What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)]

I am in subway, Seoul. This is evening time. While reading the Gnus history at Internet, i have some question. 

What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"? Also is that Japanese word or English word or Norwegian word? My head is swimming with this question. Still there is no answer in my dictionary, in my google search.

Sincerely,
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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)]

"Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> 께서 쓰시길,
 《記事 全文 <27E73A6C-10C8-4F08-89ED-6F5B51839B1C@yw.doraji.xyz> 에서》:

> I am in subway, Seoul. This is evening time. While reading the Gnus
> history at Internet, i have some question.
>
> What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"? Also is that Japanese word or
> English word or Norwegian word? My head is swimming with this
> question. Still there is no answer in my dictionary, in my google
> search.

At wikitionary, i saw Magnus' meaning, it is "Great". So "Ma Gnus" is
"The Great Gnus!"?!?!

Wonderful world!!!

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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Emanuel Berg]

Byung-Hee HWANG "(황병희)" wrote:

>> I am in subway, Seoul. This is evening time.
>> While reading the Gnus history at Internet,
>> i have some question. What does "Ma" mean,
>> from "Ma Gnus"? Also is that Japanese word
>> or English word or Norwegian word? My head
>> is swimming with this question. Still there
>> is no answer in my dictionary, in my
>> google search.
>
> At wikitionary, i saw Magnus' meaning, it is
> "Great". So "Ma Gnus" is "The Great
> Gnus!"?!?!
>
> Wonderful world!!!

Magnus is "great" (or "big") as well as a very
common name. I always thought of it as
Scandinavian in origin as it is very common
here, but even as I kid I read the Transformers
comic, and there is an "Ultra Magnus" character
there so perhaps it is international as
well (or "by now").

But, "Ma Gnus" may be an unintentional pun as
the "Ma" is actually the Unicode 0x771F char,
which is the Han char for "real, actual, true,
genuine" and the Japanese "Ma" (or "MAKOTO
MAKOTONI MA", whatever that means). [1]
    
How it works in terms of technology is
described here [2]

    Development is done using "named versions",
    whose first letters run backwards in the
    alphabet; "No Gnus" v0.19 was released in
    early 2012, and development transitioned to
    "Ma Gnus". No named version ever reaches
    1.0, instead when it is considered stable
    enough for general release, it sheds its
    name and gets packaged with as simply "Gnus
    <version number>".

Here is a chart of the Japanese alphabet

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eHJ73pG03uE/T0D2xd0Q1iI/AAAAAAAAAkM/9zU_SPcUe0U/s1600/Katakana_image.jpg

So now it should be a quick fix to figure out
what the next version name should be :)

[1] http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/771f/index.htm

[2] https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Ma-Gnus.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnus

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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Emanuel writes:

> But, "Ma Gnus" may be an unintentional pun as

un?!


  :-),

   /A

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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Emanuel Berg]

Adam Sjøgren wrote:

>> But, "Ma Gnus" may be an unintentional pun
>> as
>
> un?!

OK, so the previous devel version was named
No Gnus as there were several Gnuses
discontinued at that point.

And this version is the great Ma Gnus with
all the apostates vanquished!

So what is the pun on the next version, which
should start with an L? La Gnus? ("Lagnus" is
a spider genus of the jumping spiders family -
what's more, it only occurs on Fiji!)

Obey tradition! OBEY TRADITION! (here, everyone
starts chanting the slogan...)

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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> Byung-Hee HWANG "(황병희)" wrote:
>
>>> I am in subway, Seoul. This is evening time.
>>> While reading the Gnus history at Internet,
>>> i have some question. What does "Ma" mean,
>>> from "Ma Gnus"? Also is that Japanese word
>>> or English word or Norwegian word? My head
>>> is swimming with this question. Still there
>>> is no answer in my dictionary, in my
>>> google search.
>>
>> At wikitionary, i saw Magnus' meaning, it is
>> "Great". So "Ma Gnus" is "The Great
>> Gnus!"?!?!
>>
>> Wonderful world!!!
>
> Magnus is "great" (or "big") as well as a very
> common name. I always thought of it as
> Scandinavian in origin as it is very common
> here, but even as I kid I read the Transformers
> comic, and there is an "Ultra Magnus" character
> there so perhaps it is international as
> well (or "by now").
>
> But, "Ma Gnus" may be an unintentional pun as
> the "Ma" is actually the Unicode 0x771F char,
> which is the Han char for "real, actual, true,
> genuine" and the Japanese "Ma" (or "MAKOTO
> MAKOTONI MA", whatever that means). [1]

It's always confused me, because that character is pronounced "zhen" in
Chinese. It's always messed with my head a little bit.

Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Emanuel Berg]

Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

> It's always confused me, because that
> character is pronounced "zhen" in Chinese.
> It's always messed with my head a little bit.

Ha ha, hey, nobody said it is supposed to
be easy!

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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)]

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> 께서 쓰시길,
 《記事 全文 <8660rbnll3.fsf@student.uu.se> 에서》:

> Byung-Hee HWANG "(황병희)" wrote:
>
>>> I am in subway, Seoul. This is evening time.
>>> While reading the Gnus history at Internet,
>>> i have some question. What does "Ma" mean,
>>> from "Ma Gnus"? Also is that Japanese word
>>> or English word or Norwegian word? My head
>>> is swimming with this question. Still there
>>> is no answer in my dictionary, in my
>>> google search.
>>
>> At wikitionary, i saw Magnus' meaning, it is
>> "Great". So "Ma Gnus" is "The Great
>> Gnus!"?!?!
>>
>> Wonderful world!!!
>
> Magnus is "great" (or "big") as well as a very
> common name. I always thought of it as
> Scandinavian in origin as it is very common
> here, but even as I kid I read the Transformers
> comic, and there is an "Ultra Magnus" character
> there so perhaps it is international as
> well (or "by now").
>
> But, "Ma Gnus" may be an unintentional pun as
> the "Ma" is actually the Unicode 0x771F char,
> which is the Han char for "real, actual, true,
> genuine" and the Japanese "Ma" (or "MAKOTO
> MAKOTONI MA", whatever that means). [1]
>     
> How it works in terms of technology is
> described here [2]
>
>     Development is done using "named versions",
>     whose first letters run backwards in the
>     alphabet; "No Gnus" v0.19 was released in
>     early 2012, and development transitioned to
>     "Ma Gnus". No named version ever reaches
>     1.0, instead when it is considered stable
>     enough for general release, it sheds its
>     name and gets packaged with as simply "Gnus
>     <version number>".
>
> Here is a chart of the Japanese alphabet
>
>     http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eHJ73pG03uE/T0D2xd0Q1iI/AAAAAAAAAkM/9zU_SPcUe0U/s1600/Katakana_image.jpg
>
> So now it should be a quick fix to figure out
> what the next version name should be :)
>
> [1] http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/771f/index.htm
>
> [2] https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Ma-Gnus.html
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnus

So the Japanese Kanji "真"'s pronounce is [ma]?!!! Now i got it what "Ma
Gnus" is. It seems Lars is literary man with genius.

Then, In my definition, "Ma Gnus" is "The Great Gnus with True Heart", i
like this value for "Ma Gnus". 

Thanks for hints, Emanuel^^

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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Arkady Grudzinsky]

On Mon, Aug 08 2016, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> Adam Sjøgren wrote:
>
> OK, so the previous devel version was named
> No Gnus as there were several Gnuses
> discontinued at that point.

The plural of Gnus should be "Gni", is that right?

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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)]

On 2016년 8월 9일 오전 9시 27분 53초 GMT+09:00, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
>Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
> [...snip...]
>> the "Ma" is actually the Unicode 0x771F char,
> [...snip...]
>It's always confused me, because that character is pronounced "zhen" in
>Chinese. It's always messed with my head a little bit.

In Korea, that pronounce is [jin]. 
Kanji is not easy to people, indeed ...
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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Emanuel Berg]

Byung-Hee HWANG "(황병희)" wrote:

> It seems Lars is literary man with genius.

Here the lad shows his inexperience. Only when
the leader is indecisive the epigones are
supposed to sing his praise!

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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Eric Abrahamsen]

"Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> writes:

> On 2016년 8월 9일 오전 9시 27분 53초 GMT+09:00, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
>>Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>> [...snip...]
>>> the "Ma" is actually the Unicode 0x771F char,
>> [...snip...]
>>It's always confused me, because that character is pronounced "zhen" in
>>Chinese. It's always messed with my head a little bit.
>
> In Korea, that pronounce is [jin]. 
> Kanji is not easy to people, indeed ...

I can mostly handle different pronunciations, but what really fries my
noodle is when Japanese has multi-syllable pronunciations for single
characters. For whatever reason, my brain's firmware has burnt into it
"one character = one syllable". Breaking that rule makes me twitch a
little.

Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> 께서 쓰시길,
 《記事 全文 <87r39wg1tv.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> 에서》:

> "Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)" <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> writes:
>
>> On 2016년 8월 9일 오전 9시 27분 53초 GMT+09:00, Eric Abrahamsen
>> <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
>>>Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>>> [...snip...]
>>>> the "Ma" is actually the Unicode 0x771F char,
>>> [...snip...]
>>>It's always confused me, because that character is pronounced "zhen" in
>>>Chinese. It's always messed with my head a little bit.
>>
>> In Korea, that pronounce is [jin]. 
>> Kanji is not easy to people, indeed ...
>
> I can mostly handle different pronunciations, but what really fries my
> noodle is when Japanese has multi-syllable pronunciations for single
> characters. For whatever reason, my brain's firmware has burnt into it
> "one character = one syllable". Breaking that rule makes me twitch a
> little.

After reading your reply, i did check wikipedia Kanji section. As you
said, Kanji have multi pronounces, it is true. And now i realized that
really Lars is the Ma Genius in literary.

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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)]

On 2016년 8월 10일 오후 10시 9분 12초 GMT+09:00, Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> wrote:
>Byung-Hee HWANG "(황병희)" wrote:
>
>> It seems Lars is literary man with genius.
>
>Here the lad shows his inexperience. Only when
>the leader is indecisive the epigones are
>supposed to sing his praise!

Still i think Lars is the Ma Genius.
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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Arkady writes:

> The plural of Gnus should be "Gni", is that right?

Gnusae, I think?

 · https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Slave-Gnusae.html


   :-),

    Adam

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Re: What does "Ma" mean, from "Ma Gnus"?

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 18:43:51 +0200 asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) wrote: 

AS> Arkady writes:
>> The plural of Gnus should be "Gni", is that right?

AS> Gnusae, I think?

AS>  · https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Slave-Gnusae.html

I can't help citing this classic:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2139/what-is-the-plural-of-penis

"The plural of genus is genera (not genuses and certainly not geni)."

Therefore, clearly the plural of "gnus" is "gnera."

HTH
Ted