From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/84166 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Emacs Cloud Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:04:12 +0100 Message-ID: <87eh3kkzkj.fsf@randomsample.de> References: <877g9fxwih.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87r47ni1mu.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87k3deo8y0.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87mwiaqzjj.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87txcimrsc.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87ha8impk9.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87eh3mqf4t.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <871tzmm6yz.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87vbwyks3h.fsf@building.gnus.org> <8761oxqvrp.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87ha8hf7ow.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878uttf6bu.fsf@building.gnus.org> <8738k1f586.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87r47klisw.fsf@randomsample.de> <87zjm8fdsz.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391439892 6613 80.91.229.3 (3 Feb 2014 15:04:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 15:04:52 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M32418@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Feb 03 16:04:59 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WAL50-0000wO-VE for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:04:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1WAL4M-00028d-C1; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:04:18 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1WAL4L-00028T-5R for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:04:17 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WAL4K-0001Nq-6C for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:04:17 -0600 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([5.45.97.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAL4I-0000Fi-Pj for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:04:14 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From; bh=YNr7HGB8qd18dBKAtWzhfS+IEJ8SyU+BlCKFfWq2WdQ=; b=HFVCZYW1w8mxP0hw8lwkG0jOaAJPyzqNIQo/24mcqcHBZqka5sqLACVkGIL/5CCngAQ1yxy5z8lmUT65alkKTjlKEG0mg4GM26ZofGgz5F3tfmH8HVdYjfDclCLIU6p5; Original-Received: from dslc-082-083-054-115.pools.arcor-ip.net ([82.83.54.115] helo=spaten) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WAL4I-0005TI-A5 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 16:04:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zjm8fdsz.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:53:16 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:84166 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 09:08:47 +0100 David Engster wrote: > > DE> Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >>> Julien Danjou writes: >>> >>>> Pros: no passphrase to enter, GPG agent takes care of it >>> >>> I don't think we can rely on GPG agent being available... > > DE> GnuPG 2.x *requires* the agent; it does not make sense to use GnuPG 2.x > DE> without setting up the agent as well. It was a deliberate design > DE> decision to have *one* secure daemon for querying and caching > DE> pass-phrases, instead of leaving this to the applications, which will > DE> often do it wrong. > > I'd argue that Emacs is not an application in any way. Sorry, I don't get it. > DE> If you really don't want to use the agent, then just keep using GnuPG > DE> 1.x, which is actively maintained (and probably will be for a long > DE> time). Note that you can install GnuPG 1.x alongside GnuPG 2.x with no > DE> problems, and every recent distribution I know has packages for both. > > I've covered all of this with Stefan and Daiki Ueno in the discussions I > referenced, from my reasoning to annoying issues with the GPG daemon's pinentry. I know, and I don't plan to repeat this discussion here. Using pinentry has its problems, especially on remote terminals, but IMHO it makes no sense to work against the design of GnuPG v2. If you don't like it, use v1 instead (that's one reason why it's still maintained). -David