* Totally incorrect splitting
@ 2013-12-10 16:30 Norman Walsh
2013-12-10 17:07 ` Steinar Bang
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From: Norman Walsh @ 2013-12-10 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
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Hi,
I'm not sure how to debug this. I'm running Ma Gnus 0.8 (maybe I
should upgrade?) on GNU Emacs 24.3.1. I'm using fancy splitting.
Occasionally, messages go in completely incorrect groups.
Curiously, when I run 'B q' on them, they list the correct groups as
the targets.
I've got enough groups and enough email that I find this a bit
frightening.
I'm looking for suggestions about how to figure out what is going on...
Be seeing you,
norm
--
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | If you are losing your leisure, look
http://nwalsh.com/ | out! You may be losing your
| soul.--Logan Pearsall Smith
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* Re: Totally incorrect splitting
2013-12-10 16:30 Totally incorrect splitting Norman Walsh
@ 2013-12-10 17:07 ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-10 18:02 ` Norman Walsh
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From: Steinar Bang @ 2013-12-10 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
>>>>> Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>:
> I'm not sure how to debug this. I'm running Ma Gnus 0.8 (maybe I
> should upgrade?) on GNU Emacs 24.3.1. I'm using fancy splitting.
With what backend?
> Occasionally, messages go in completely incorrect groups.
> Curiously, when I run 'B q' on them, they list the correct groups as
> the targets.
> I've got enough groups and enough email that I find this a bit
> frightening.
FWIW I dealt with heaps of mailing lists by getting the mailing lists
subscribed to gmane.
(Granted with closed(ish) working group mailing lists, that is not an
option...)
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* Re: Totally incorrect splitting
2013-12-10 17:07 ` Steinar Bang
@ 2013-12-10 18:02 ` Norman Walsh
2013-12-13 14:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
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From: Norman Walsh @ 2013-12-10 18:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
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Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
>>>>>> Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>:
>
>> I'm not sure how to debug this. I'm running Ma Gnus 0.8 (maybe I
>> should upgrade?) on GNU Emacs 24.3.1. I'm using fancy splitting.
>
> With what backend?
nnml
I'm suspicious of gnus-registry, but it has seemed to work for years.
(Q: "When did this start happening, what had you changed?" A: "A while
ago, and I don't really recall." :-( )
(setq gnus-registry-max-entries 20000
gnus-registry-split-strategy nil
gnus-registry-use-long-group-names t
guns-registry-track-extra '(sender subject))
> (Granted with closed(ish) working group mailing lists, that is not an
> option...)
Many of the lists are internal $EMPLOYER lists that I can't subscribe
to any other way.
Be seeing you,
norm
--
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Everything we love, no doubt, will pass
http://nwalsh.com/ | away, perhaps tomorrow, perhaps a
| thousand years hence. Neither it nor
| our love for it is any the less
| valuable for that reason.--John Passmore
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* Re: Totally incorrect splitting
2013-12-10 18:02 ` Norman Walsh
@ 2013-12-13 14:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-13 19:07 ` Norman Walsh
2014-01-30 14:58 ` Norman Walsh
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From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2013-12-13 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:02:54 -0600 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote:
NW> Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes:
>>>>>>> Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>:
>>
>>> I'm not sure how to debug this. I'm running Ma Gnus 0.8 (maybe I
>>> should upgrade?) on GNU Emacs 24.3.1. I'm using fancy splitting.
>>
>> With what backend?
NW> nnml
NW> I'm suspicious of gnus-registry, but it has seemed to work for years.
NW> (Q: "When did this start happening, what had you changed?" A: "A while
NW> ago, and I don't really recall." :-( )
NW> (setq gnus-registry-max-entries 20000
NW> gnus-registry-split-strategy nil
NW> gnus-registry-use-long-group-names t
NW> guns-registry-track-extra '(sender subject))
You can set `gnus-verbose' to 9 and endure the noise until you catch the
problem. Sorry I don't have a better way.
Ted
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* Re: Totally incorrect splitting
2013-12-13 14:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
@ 2013-12-13 19:07 ` Norman Walsh
2014-01-30 14:58 ` Norman Walsh
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From: Norman Walsh @ 2013-12-13 19:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
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Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
> You can set `gnus-verbose' to 9 and endure the noise until you catch the
> problem. Sorry I don't have a better way.
Ugh. It's pretty random and not something I notice right away.
I found a message that was misfiled and re-delivered it, but it got
put in the right place the second time :-(
Be seeing you,
norm
--
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | You look wise. Pray correct that
http://nwalsh.com/ | error.--Charles Lamb
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* Re: Totally incorrect splitting
2013-12-13 14:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-13 19:07 ` Norman Walsh
@ 2014-01-30 14:58 ` Norman Walsh
2014-02-01 10:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
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From: Norman Walsh @ 2014-01-30 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
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Just FYI:
Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
> NW> (setq gnus-registry-max-entries 20000
> NW> gnus-registry-split-strategy nil
> NW> gnus-registry-use-long-group-names t
> NW> guns-registry-track-extra '(sender subject))
First, note my clever spelling of "gnus" in
"guns-registry-track-extra". That was fun to find.
> You can set `gnus-verbose' to 9 and endure the noise until you catch the
> problem. Sorry I don't have a better way.
Yes, thanks. I finally got around to tracking this down. I added a new
split rule that *never* worked and that made it a lot easier to debug.
In this case, it turned out that gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent
was splitting on subject and the subject was generic enough to have
already been dropped in my "misc" bucket. Consequently, my new rule
never fired.
I expect that explains my other incorrect splits as well.
I've removed "subject" from track-extra for the time being and I'll
see how that goes. On the one hand, it was sometimes handy to have
subject in the list, but I think the false splits probably outweigh
that convenience.
Be seeing you,
norm
--
Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | There is nothing new under the sun but
http://nwalsh.com/ | there are lots of old things we don't
| know.--Ambrose Bierce
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* Re: Totally incorrect splitting
2014-01-30 14:58 ` Norman Walsh
@ 2014-02-01 10:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
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From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2014-02-01 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:58:53 -0600 Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> wrote:
NW> Just FYI:
NW> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
NW> (setq gnus-registry-max-entries 20000
NW> gnus-registry-split-strategy nil
NW> gnus-registry-use-long-group-names t
NW> guns-registry-track-extra '(sender subject))
NW> First, note my clever spelling of "gnus" in
NW> "guns-registry-track-extra". That was fun to find.
>> You can set `gnus-verbose' to 9 and endure the noise until you catch the
>> problem. Sorry I don't have a better way.
NW> Yes, thanks. I finally got around to tracking this down. I added a new
NW> split rule that *never* worked and that made it a lot easier to debug.
NW> In this case, it turned out that gnus-registry-split-fancy-with-parent
NW> was splitting on subject and the subject was generic enough to have
NW> already been dropped in my "misc" bucket. Consequently, my new rule
NW> never fired.
NW> I expect that explains my other incorrect splits as well.
NW> I've removed "subject" from track-extra for the time being and I'll
NW> see how that goes. On the one hand, it was sometimes handy to have
NW> subject in the list, but I think the false splits probably outweigh
NW> that convenience.
I'm glad you found the problem. That misspelling is a tricky one.
Ted
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