From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/73283 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: $ collision Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:32:45 -0700 Organization: The Eyrie Message-ID: <87eibnufuq.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> References: <87pqv779gi.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <87ocarvxt8.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <87iq0zuh40.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1287452006 15086 80.91.229.12 (19 Oct 2010 01:33:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:33:26 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M21655@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Oct 19 03:33:25 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P814v-0000AE-6P for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:33:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P814r-0002ic-C5; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:33:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P814p-0002iL-U3 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:33:19 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P814o-00074t-Q4 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:33:19 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu ([171.67.219.82] helo=smtp.stanford.edu) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1P814n-0001GU-00 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:33:18 +0200 Original-Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id EA25D1711AD for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77AC7170990 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5F6BF2F4E5; Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:32:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Riley's message of "Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:27:00 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:73283 Archived-At: Richard Riley writes: > I guess this is where I am getting confused. Esc is the meta here or I > have certainly always thought of it as that .. but that to one side for > a moment : the rest of the emacs driving keys use M so do you redefine all > those or just use Esc as the Meta? I use ESC as meta, but most meta sequences in Emacs don't have to be repeated multiple times. The only other one I ever remember noticing this with is M-v, and I don't use that anywhere near as much as marking messages as spam. In order to have M-d be a single shifted keystroke, there has to be a shift key on the keyboard that can successfully act as the meta shift key (not the ESC prefix workaround), which is true in X but not (for me at least) in an xterm through ssh to emacs -nw on the other side. If one is marking multiple messages as spam, it's much more annoying to have to alternate between two keys (and ESC is often in an awkward location) than to just repeatedly use the same key, possibly shifted. > Don't misunderstand me, I'm not objecting per-se to anything I am just > trying to understand why existing keys that people use for Mairix are > remapped to add a facility key to something already mapped. I've never even heard if nnmairix before the last month and certainly wasn't aware of it when I proposed the additional key binding, and I suspect Lars wasn't aware either. I don't use it and therefore don't particularly care; I can continue to locally map $ to the right thing since I don't use nnmairix. But it seemed like it would make mark handling more consistent. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)