From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/68782 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gnus branches and sync with Emacs Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:42:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87eisbw0gf.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> References: <87eisdn3ng.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87skgri803.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871vobdxpu.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248122586 3682 80.91.229.12 (20 Jul 2009 20:43:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ted Zlatanov , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: ding-owner+M17203@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Jul 20 22:42:59 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MSzhI-0006tD-Js for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:42:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSzgy-0004EF-0k; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:42:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSzgw-0004Dt-J4 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:42:34 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MSzgu-00055u-SZ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:42:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1MSzhS-0002Bx-00 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:43:06 +0200 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.175]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n6KKgS8E010849; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:42:28 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83DE1CE23; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:42:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: :6KQZ[nyoS_edmB.%gw-=)BYth^|2+Y+^cu%I$FSx!&>-'om>3H7A|M&n(V7fIo3P.;yo.b yq4$p;ZaBtkv)\}biaiBQe"mD}iib1AA@99-fZ7i*bLhNRVC&0Wkxg9)SH?oWc@{ Mail-Followup-To: Chong Yidong , Ted Zlatanov , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <871vobdxpu.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:18:53 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-Misty-Metrics: poseidon 1170; Body=4 Fuz1=4 Fuz2=4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:68782 gmane.emacs.devel:112862 Archived-At: On Mon, Jul 20 2009, Chong Yidong wrote: >> RS> If Gnus developers want to start adding new features to Gnus CVS now, >> RS> we also need to have a bug-fix-only Gnus branch as well, say "v5-12", >> RS> which is synced with Emacs trunk (to be Emacs 23.2). v5-12 would also >> RS> be used for future Gnus 5.12.* releases. >> >> RS> As there's no Emacs branch (or trunk) for new features, this would >> RS> imply that we cannot sync Gnus to Emacs for quite some time (dunno how >> RS> are the plans for the next major version of Emacs). [...] > Whether the Gnus trunk should be synched to the Emacs trunk depends on > how "unstable" the Gnus maintainers intend to get. > > My goal---and I think Stefan envisions something similar---is to have a > relatively short development cycle of a few months, during which we'll > insert a small number of new features (primarily CEDET) alongside the > usual bugfixes, followed by a pretest leading to 23.2. If the Gnus > maintainers can follow a similar schedule, it might be practical to just > keep the two trunks in synch. Personally, I could live with such an arrangement, since i didn't have much time for Gnus development recently. But I also don't see much problem to have two branches (like we did with v5-10 for quite a long time) if other Gnus developers wish to commit new (potentially destabilizing) features sooner - I seem to recall that we deferred some contributions during the last months. Opinions? > (The recent change of `mail-user-agent' may or may not be consistent > with this plan. What's not clear right now is the amount of changes > that need to be applied to sort out the incompatibilies between > mail-mode and message-mode. If the required changes end up being too > destabilizing, we should either switch mail-user-agent back, or fall > back on the alternative plan of using the 23.1 branch for 23.2.) I don't think the change of `mail-user-agent' an Richard's intends WRT mail-mode/rf2047/mm-* are consistent with this plan, so I'm quite puzzled about the plans for the Emacs trunk. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/