From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23049 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2023 01:39:55 -0000 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.32) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Jun 2023 01:39:55 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1qBmp7-00GPaC-0S for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 20:39:53 -0500 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1qBmp6-001ru0-1J for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 20:39:52 -0500 Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1qBmp3-001rtr-1s for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 20:39:49 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1qBmoy-00Dd0h-2a for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 20:39:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=PXvhJpwLQgMDDpc9feQehZ5jyWU+OAqemVjxjKcuP3Q=; b=iE4TSpI1WbPjYYkP/pquuuOIrk +5vybKGEPU/YH3E8cAOUWVUbXN7F353jGO6VJU6USzWa04cDiRxa269YcFjIqhG8vUr2+XYyr3hFP Fa01/oVZrv53AoNHWFZa4S+t06YQjh2rbzxCHpTDgesQuA/CfIQhAOjwUSLTNUMBfBUA=; Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qBmol-0004Ti-Nv for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 03:39:34 +0200 Received: from localhost (c-71-197-232-41.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.197.232.41]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29F16FA02E for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 01:39:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1687311566; bh=PXvhJpwLQgMDDpc9feQehZ5jyWU+OAqemVjxjKcuP3Q=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=VM/BZUjogE3xJox45AKYySi9X3CNCASZthu3y3ifqZ9LzBvL0XTH0n8ni2jTSdSbK V6tAWtEcxkBeWaHH7DvAiywwuf6EwLf5XneSugyEthtLj44Q1SWUCc2o8bi9ncEiXK sqVs6iSvYFofSd6Ky4DprPJoHP1QnGnzQJVIvuSA= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: ding@gnus.org Subject: Re: Emacs 28.2 gnus: nntp read marks lost after going offline and online again In-Reply-To: <87352lj4hx.fsf@dod.no> (Steinar Bang's message of "Tue, 20 Jun 2023 21:52:26 +0200") References: <871qi7ld1z.fsf@dod.no> <87sfanju2y.fsf@dod.no> <87edm7jqj7.fsf@dod.no> <877cryhr7n.fsf@dod.no> <87352lj4hx.fsf@dod.no> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 18:39:24 -0700 Message-ID: <87fs6ltwz7.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain List-ID: Precedence: bulk Steinar Bang writes: >>>>>> Steinar Bang : > >>>>> And twice, since then, all of my nntp servers have lost all groups >>>>> and read marks. Today it happened when I toggled gnus offline into >>>>> online, not sure that was what happened yesterday. > >>>> Three times now. > >>>> This time when emacs was just sitting there doing nothing, and the nntp >>>> groups went AWOL. > >>> Happened again. Four times now. > >>> All ideas for how to track this down are welcome. > >> This is what it looks like when the groups and articles have gone away: >> https://www.bang.priv.no/screenshots/gnus_no_articles.png > >> No servers have closed for me. This is the server buffer after articles >> and groups have been lost: >> https://www.bang.priv.no/screenshots/gnus_server_no_articles.png > >> This is what gnus looks like, after stopping gnus and restarting it: >> https://www.bang.priv.no/screenshots/gnus_after_stop_and_start.png > >> Ie. everything works normal until gnus starts looking like the first >> screenshot. > > I saw it happen before my eyes now. It happens when gnus fetches new > news, I think. > > This is what was in the *Messages* buffer: > > Checking new news... > Reading active file from cloud via nnimap... > Opening nnimap server on cloud...done > Reading active file from cloud via nnimap...done > Reading active file via nndiary...done > nnimap read 0k from imap.bang.priv.no (initial sync of 1 group; please wait) > Reading active file via nndraft...done > Reading active file via nnml... > Reading incoming mail from file... > nnml: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done > Reading active file via nnml...done > Checking new news...done > > Two things of note here: > 1. It now apparently checks the cloud file automatically? > That's new (for me) > 2. There are no lines of output for fetching with nntp Yes, in your previous image of the Server buffer note all the (cloud-sync) tags after servers, and the one (CLOUD-HOST). I've only tried the gnus-cloud thing once several years ago, but the manual makes it sound like you'd have to enable it manually -- did you not do that? Anyway, even if gnus-cloud isn't the culprit it's likely to make debugging harder. Try using "i" to toggle the cloud-sync servers, and "I" to toggle the CLOUD-HOST server -- hopefully that will shut it off altogether... Eric