From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 16533 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2022 04:18:52 -0000 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.32) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Jan 2022 04:18:52 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1nDfCL-004YqH-Ve for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2022 22:18:50 -0600 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1nDfCL-003fPa-6l for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2022 22:18:49 -0600 Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1nDfCI-003fPR-TE for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 28 Jan 2022 22:18:46 -0600 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1nDfCG-00CTOp-BD for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 28 Jan 2022 22:18:46 -0600 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References :Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Q0QB3H4sOtTausvHBk7m+fkFKK5Um6i6Krgpc5hJi4o=; b=Ws41+UOcb00gX9Grcixq9M+hl5 KDF8HQJdVvQB8TQQqlq0nI2W9T8UwFAkUUZ4dg+ODLiRRQ+O7bcGShnyQcNSF1BeJ7WPtbN6Wkj6d zyTNAIKaB692GBLtN4yD73pGTpLeq/6vgIMZ4s/TGB8l5fIoURKLeb4M10P+ZVAu7rLs=; Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nDfC7-0002Sf-Pl for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 05:18:39 +0100 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nDfC5-000AUt-ML for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 05:18:33 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ding@gnus.org From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: how to kill a virtual group Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:18:26 -0800 Message-ID: <87fsp7kwdp.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87a6ffx5jg.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <874k5nokor.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87r18ro9py.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87czkbmrgf.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87ee4rflwa.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:yIyoK5K2f09s4uVBqgXUbeSke2M= List-ID: Precedence: bulk Emanuel Berg writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >>> Precisely this is the error I see! [1] >> >> Okay, this is something I've looked at several times over >> the past couple years. I am not sure how to fix it mostly >> because I don't understand the original intended behavior of >> variables like `gnus-server-alist' and >> `gnus-inserted-opened-servers'. > > `gnus-server-alist' has the docstring > > Servers created by Gnus, or via the server buffer. > Servers defined in the user's config files do not appear > here. This variable is persisted in the user’s > .newsrc.eld file. > > I don't like the "servers defined in the user's config files > do not appear here" part, exceptions like that are a bad sign, > but as for what the variable expresses, it's clear what data > it holds. > > `gnus-inserted-opened-servers' OTOH isn't documented. It is > defined in gnus-srvr.el where it is then used four times. > > gnus-server-alist is used a lot tho, in several files. I think > the "original intended behavior" is simply that it is used > whenever it is needed :) Right, I have read the docstring! And it is necessary to keep servers defined in gnus.el separate from servers defined in-Gnus, via the *Server* buffer. But my `gnus-server-alist' has only ever held the "archive" server, nothing else, so that's obviously not right. For some reason, servers created in the *Server* buffer aren't added to `gnus-server-alist'.