Using gnus with gmail: almost there

Using gnus with gmail: almost there

[carlosjosepita]

Hi all, it's my first day with gnus and I'm pretty happy with the level
of integration I was able to achieve with gmail imap. Nevertheless,
there are a few quirks remaining and any help from the experienced users
here would be very much appreciated. Let's see:

1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they
belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers. There is a
suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group merging the
inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work for threads in
the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent mail to the
current group, i.e. something like:

(setq gnus-message-archive-group
      (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))

But this has some problems:
  1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the gmail server.
  1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the webmail.

Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for
me.

2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group
(ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally
postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to
automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store
the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible).

Well, I think that's all for the time being. Thank you in advance.

Cheers
--
Carlos

Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there

[Tassilo Horn]

Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Carlos,

> gcc-self is indeed a great tip, thank you!

Thanks!

> As you've become sort of my guru now, I'm asking you further: I'm
> having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by prefix,
> as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show the method
> prefix, only the secondary ones,

Oh, really?  I wasn't aware of that.

> but I really want to get a similar behavior for all my primary select
> method without having to match on a per group basis. Is that possible?

Well, I don't use a primary select method at all, only secondary ones.
And as far as I know, there's nothing making them less powerful or
second class citizens (well, except that the backend is always shown, it
seems), so you might want to do the same.

  ;; Make the primary select method a do-nothing one
  (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil))

  ;; Only use severeal secondary select methods
  (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
	     '(nntp "Gmane"
		    (nntp-address "news.gmane.org")))
  ...

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there

[Adam Sjøgren]

Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by
> prefix, as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show
> the method prefix, only the secondary ones, but I really want to get a
> similar behavior for all my primary select method without having to
> match on a per group basis. Is that possible?

Probably not the answer you are looking for, but: I use nnnil as the
primary method, and all the real stuff is secondary methods - nobody
gets put on the primary piedestal.


  :-),

   Adam

-- 
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                                                         asjo@koldfront.dk

Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there

[Carlos Pita]

Here's another alternative (similar to the one I posted a couple of days
ago):

(setq gnus-message-archive-group
      (lambda (g)
	(when (message-mail-p)
	  (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g))))

If I'm not wrong this is more or less equivalent to:

(setq gnus-parameters
      '(("^[^:]+$" (gcc-self . t)
	("^[^:]+:.+$" (gcc-self . none)))))

The first one has a more flexible matching mechanism, as it let's you
pass a lambda expression. But it can't set anything besides the
group. It would be nice that gnus-parameters worked more like
gnus-message-archive-groups, allowing one to passed a dotted pair list
but also a function or expression.

Regards
--
Carlos

Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there

[Carlos Pita]

Well, this is the best I could come with, considering that emacs
regexps have no negative look-ahead or any fancy stuff:

(setq gnus-parameters
      '(("^[^:]+$"
    (gcc-self . t)
    (gnus-gcc-mark-as-read . t))))

It will work as long as there are no gmail labels including a ':'. If
you know of a better approach, please tell me!

Regards
--
Carlos



On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tassilo,
>
> gcc-self is indeed a great tip, thank you!
>
> As you've become sort of my guru now, I'm asking you further: I'm
> having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by prefix,
> as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show the method
> prefix, only the secondary ones, but I really want to get a similar
> behavior for all my primary select method without having to match on a
> per group basis. Is that possible?
>
> Regards
> --
> Carlos
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Carlos <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>>> 1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they
>>> belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers.
>>
>> I do the same.
>>
>>> There is a suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group
>>> merging the inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work
>>> for threads in the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent
>>> mail to the current group, i.e. something like:
>>>
>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))
>>>
>>> But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the
>>> gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the
>>> webmail.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me.
>>
>> Have a look at the `gcc-self' group parameter.
>>
>> ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ]
>> | ‘gcc-self’
>> |      If ‘(gcc-self . t)’ is present in the group parameter list, newly
>> |      composed messages will be ‘Gcc’’d to the current group.  If
>> |      ‘(gcc-self . none)’ is present, no ‘Gcc:’ header will be generated,
>> |      if ‘(gcc-self . "string")’ is present, this string will be inserted
>> |      literally as a ‘gcc’ header.  This parameter takes precedence over
>> |      any default ‘Gcc’ rules as described later (*note Archived
>> |      Messages::), with the exception for messages to resend.
>> |
>> |      *Caveat*: Adding ‘(gcc-self . t)’ to the parameter list of ‘nntp’
>> |      groups (or the like) isn’t valid.  An ‘nntp’ server doesn’t accept
>> |      articles.
>> `----
>>
>> Here's my gcc-self related settings:
>>
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> (setq gnus-parameters
>>       `((,(rx "nnimap+")
>>          (gcc-self . t))
>>         ;; Mailing List exceptions
>>         (,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/")
>>          (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent"))
>>         (,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.")
>>          (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items"))))
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>>
>> So I gcc the current group for all my IMAP accounts, except for mailing
>> list groups, where I gcc the account's sent mail folder.
>>
>> To have that only for your Gmail account, you would change the regex to
>> something like ,(rx "nnimap+Gmail") or whatever you've named your gmail
>> account.
>>
>>> 2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group
>>> (ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally
>>> postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to
>>> automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store
>>> the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible).
>>
>> I think this question pops up here once in a while, but so far nobody
>> seems to have implemented that feature.
>>
>> Bye,
>> Tassilo

Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there

[Carlos Pita]

Hi Tassilo,

gcc-self is indeed a great tip, thank you!

As you've become sort of my guru now, I'm asking you further: I'm
having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by prefix,
as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show the method
prefix, only the secondary ones, but I really want to get a similar
behavior for all my primary select method without having to match on a
per group basis. Is that possible?

Regards
--
Carlos

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> wrote:
> Carlos <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
>> 1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they
>> belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers.
>
> I do the same.
>
>> There is a suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group
>> merging the inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work
>> for threads in the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent
>> mail to the current group, i.e. something like:
>>
>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))
>>
>> But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the
>> gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the
>> webmail.
>>
>> Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me.
>
> Have a look at the `gcc-self' group parameter.
>
> ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ]
> | ‘gcc-self’
> |      If ‘(gcc-self . t)’ is present in the group parameter list, newly
> |      composed messages will be ‘Gcc’’d to the current group.  If
> |      ‘(gcc-self . none)’ is present, no ‘Gcc:’ header will be generated,
> |      if ‘(gcc-self . "string")’ is present, this string will be inserted
> |      literally as a ‘gcc’ header.  This parameter takes precedence over
> |      any default ‘Gcc’ rules as described later (*note Archived
> |      Messages::), with the exception for messages to resend.
> |
> |      *Caveat*: Adding ‘(gcc-self . t)’ to the parameter list of ‘nntp’
> |      groups (or the like) isn’t valid.  An ‘nntp’ server doesn’t accept
> |      articles.
> `----
>
> Here's my gcc-self related settings:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> (setq gnus-parameters
>       `((,(rx "nnimap+")
>          (gcc-self . t))
>         ;; Mailing List exceptions
>         (,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/")
>          (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent"))
>         (,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.")
>          (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items"))))
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> So I gcc the current group for all my IMAP accounts, except for mailing
> list groups, where I gcc the account's sent mail folder.
>
> To have that only for your Gmail account, you would change the regex to
> something like ,(rx "nnimap+Gmail") or whatever you've named your gmail
> account.
>
>> 2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group
>> (ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally
>> postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to
>> automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store
>> the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible).
>
> I think this question pops up here once in a while, but so far nobody
> seems to have implemented that feature.
>
> Bye,
> Tassilo

Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there

[Tassilo Horn]

Carlos <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Carlos,

> 1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they
> belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers.

I do the same.

> There is a suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group
> merging the inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work
> for threads in the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent
> mail to the current group, i.e. something like:
>
> (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))
>
> But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the 
> gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the 
> webmail.
>
> Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me.

Have a look at the `gcc-self' group parameter.

,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ]
| ‘gcc-self’
|      If ‘(gcc-self . t)’ is present in the group parameter list, newly
|      composed messages will be ‘Gcc’’d to the current group.  If
|      ‘(gcc-self . none)’ is present, no ‘Gcc:’ header will be generated,
|      if ‘(gcc-self . "string")’ is present, this string will be inserted
|      literally as a ‘gcc’ header.  This parameter takes precedence over
|      any default ‘Gcc’ rules as described later (*note Archived
|      Messages::), with the exception for messages to resend.
| 
|      *Caveat*: Adding ‘(gcc-self . t)’ to the parameter list of ‘nntp’
|      groups (or the like) isn’t valid.  An ‘nntp’ server doesn’t accept
|      articles.
`----

Here's my gcc-self related settings:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(setq gnus-parameters
      `((,(rx "nnimap+")
	 (gcc-self . t))
	;; Mailing List exceptions
	(,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/")
	 (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent"))
	(,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.")
	 (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items"))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

So I gcc the current group for all my IMAP accounts, except for mailing
list groups, where I gcc the account's sent mail folder.

To have that only for your Gmail account, you would change the regex to
something like ,(rx "nnimap+Gmail") or whatever you've named your gmail
account.

> 2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group
> (ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally
> postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to
> automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store
> the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible).

I think this question pops up here once in a while, but so far nobody
seems to have implemented that feature.

Bye,
Tassilo

Using gnus with gmail: almost there

[Carlos]

Hi all, it's my first day with gnus and I'm pretty happy with the level of 
integration I was able to achieve with gmail imap. Nevertheless, there are a 
few quirks remaining and any help from the experienced users here would be 
very much appreciated. Let's see:

1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they belong, 
like in the "conversation" view gmail offers. There is a suggestion somewhere 
in the net to create a virtual group merging the inbox and the sent mail 
groups, but this will only work for threads in the inbox. Another option is to 
add a copy of any sent mail to the current group, i.e. something like:

(setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))

But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the 
gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the 
webmail.

Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me.

2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group (ideally, the 
gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally postpone a message and 
then move it to the remote group. A way to automate this is what I can't come 
with (or, better, to directly store the draft in the remote group, which I'm 
afraid is not possible).

Well, I think that's all for the time being. Thank you in advance.

Cheers
--
Carlos