* Using gnus with gmail: almost there
@ 2014-07-29 4:00 carlosjosepita
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From: carlosjosepita @ 2014-07-29 4:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Hi all, it's my first day with gnus and I'm pretty happy with the level
of integration I was able to achieve with gmail imap. Nevertheless,
there are a few quirks remaining and any help from the experienced users
here would be very much appreciated. Let's see:
1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they
belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers. There is a
suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group merging the
inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work for threads in
the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent mail to the
current group, i.e. something like:
(setq gnus-message-archive-group
(lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))
But this has some problems:
1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the gmail server.
1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the webmail.
Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for
me.
2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group
(ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally
postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to
automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store
the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible).
Well, I think that's all for the time being. Thank you in advance.
Cheers
--
Carlos
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* Using gnus with gmail: almost there
@ 2014-07-29 13:09 Carlos
2014-07-31 5:56 ` Tassilo Horn
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Carlos @ 2014-07-29 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Hi all, it's my first day with gnus and I'm pretty happy with the level of
integration I was able to achieve with gmail imap. Nevertheless, there are a
few quirks remaining and any help from the experienced users here would be
very much appreciated. Let's see:
1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they belong,
like in the "conversation" view gmail offers. There is a suggestion somewhere
in the net to create a virtual group merging the inbox and the sent mail
groups, but this will only work for threads in the inbox. Another option is to
add a copy of any sent mail to the current group, i.e. something like:
(setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))
But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the
gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the
webmail.
Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me.
2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group (ideally, the
gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally postpone a message and
then move it to the remote group. A way to automate this is what I can't come
with (or, better, to directly store the draft in the remote group, which I'm
afraid is not possible).
Well, I think that's all for the time being. Thank you in advance.
Cheers
--
Carlos
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* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there
2014-07-29 13:09 Carlos
@ 2014-07-31 5:56 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-07-31 19:18 ` Carlos Pita
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2014-07-31 5:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carlos; +Cc: ding
Carlos <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes:
Hi Carlos,
> 1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they
> belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers.
I do the same.
> There is a suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group
> merging the inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work
> for threads in the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent
> mail to the current group, i.e. something like:
>
> (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))
>
> But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the
> gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the
> webmail.
>
> Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me.
Have a look at the `gcc-self' group parameter.
,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ]
| ‘gcc-self’
| If ‘(gcc-self . t)’ is present in the group parameter list, newly
| composed messages will be ‘Gcc’’d to the current group. If
| ‘(gcc-self . none)’ is present, no ‘Gcc:’ header will be generated,
| if ‘(gcc-self . "string")’ is present, this string will be inserted
| literally as a ‘gcc’ header. This parameter takes precedence over
| any default ‘Gcc’ rules as described later (*note Archived
| Messages::), with the exception for messages to resend.
|
| *Caveat*: Adding ‘(gcc-self . t)’ to the parameter list of ‘nntp’
| groups (or the like) isn’t valid. An ‘nntp’ server doesn’t accept
| articles.
`----
Here's my gcc-self related settings:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(setq gnus-parameters
`((,(rx "nnimap+")
(gcc-self . t))
;; Mailing List exceptions
(,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/")
(gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent"))
(,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.")
(gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items"))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
So I gcc the current group for all my IMAP accounts, except for mailing
list groups, where I gcc the account's sent mail folder.
To have that only for your Gmail account, you would change the regex to
something like ,(rx "nnimap+Gmail") or whatever you've named your gmail
account.
> 2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group
> (ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally
> postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to
> automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store
> the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible).
I think this question pops up here once in a while, but so far nobody
seems to have implemented that feature.
Bye,
Tassilo
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* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there
2014-07-31 5:56 ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2014-07-31 19:18 ` Carlos Pita
2014-07-31 19:44 ` Carlos Pita
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Carlos Pita @ 2014-07-31 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding; +Cc: tsdh
Hi Tassilo,
gcc-self is indeed a great tip, thank you!
As you've become sort of my guru now, I'm asking you further: I'm
having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by prefix,
as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show the method
prefix, only the secondary ones, but I really want to get a similar
behavior for all my primary select method without having to match on a
per group basis. Is that possible?
Regards
--
Carlos
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> wrote:
> Carlos <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
>> 1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they
>> belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers.
>
> I do the same.
>
>> There is a suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group
>> merging the inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work
>> for threads in the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent
>> mail to the current group, i.e. something like:
>>
>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))
>>
>> But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the
>> gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the
>> webmail.
>>
>> Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me.
>
> Have a look at the `gcc-self' group parameter.
>
> ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ]
> | ‘gcc-self’
> | If ‘(gcc-self . t)’ is present in the group parameter list, newly
> | composed messages will be ‘Gcc’’d to the current group. If
> | ‘(gcc-self . none)’ is present, no ‘Gcc:’ header will be generated,
> | if ‘(gcc-self . "string")’ is present, this string will be inserted
> | literally as a ‘gcc’ header. This parameter takes precedence over
> | any default ‘Gcc’ rules as described later (*note Archived
> | Messages::), with the exception for messages to resend.
> |
> | *Caveat*: Adding ‘(gcc-self . t)’ to the parameter list of ‘nntp’
> | groups (or the like) isn’t valid. An ‘nntp’ server doesn’t accept
> | articles.
> `----
>
> Here's my gcc-self related settings:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> (setq gnus-parameters
> `((,(rx "nnimap+")
> (gcc-self . t))
> ;; Mailing List exceptions
> (,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/")
> (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent"))
> (,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.")
> (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items"))))
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> So I gcc the current group for all my IMAP accounts, except for mailing
> list groups, where I gcc the account's sent mail folder.
>
> To have that only for your Gmail account, you would change the regex to
> something like ,(rx "nnimap+Gmail") or whatever you've named your gmail
> account.
>
>> 2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group
>> (ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally
>> postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to
>> automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store
>> the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible).
>
> I think this question pops up here once in a while, but so far nobody
> seems to have implemented that feature.
>
> Bye,
> Tassilo
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* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there
2014-07-31 19:18 ` Carlos Pita
@ 2014-07-31 19:44 ` Carlos Pita
2014-07-31 20:27 ` Carlos Pita
2014-07-31 20:36 ` Adam Sjøgren
2014-08-01 9:01 ` Tassilo Horn
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Carlos Pita @ 2014-07-31 19:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding; +Cc: tsdh
Well, this is the best I could come with, considering that emacs
regexps have no negative look-ahead or any fancy stuff:
(setq gnus-parameters
'(("^[^:]+$"
(gcc-self . t)
(gnus-gcc-mark-as-read . t))))
It will work as long as there are no gmail labels including a ':'. If
you know of a better approach, please tell me!
Regards
--
Carlos
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tassilo,
>
> gcc-self is indeed a great tip, thank you!
>
> As you've become sort of my guru now, I'm asking you further: I'm
> having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by prefix,
> as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show the method
> prefix, only the secondary ones, but I really want to get a similar
> behavior for all my primary select method without having to match on a
> per group basis. Is that possible?
>
> Regards
> --
> Carlos
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Carlos <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>>> 1) I would like to include my sent emails in the threads where they
>>> belong, like in the "conversation" view gmail offers.
>>
>> I do the same.
>>
>>> There is a suggestion somewhere in the net to create a virtual group
>>> merging the inbox and the sent mail groups, but this will only work
>>> for threads in the inbox. Another option is to add a copy of any sent
>>> mail to the current group, i.e. something like:
>>>
>>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group (lambda (g) (concat "nnimap+gmail:" g)))
>>>
>>> But this has some problems: 1.i) I don't know how to do this *only* for the
>>> gmail server. 1.ii) Obviously it doesn't work for emails sent from the
>>> webmail.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, being able to solve 1.i alone would be very good news for me.
>>
>> Have a look at the `gcc-self' group parameter.
>>
>> ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ]
>> | ‘gcc-self’
>> | If ‘(gcc-self . t)’ is present in the group parameter list, newly
>> | composed messages will be ‘Gcc’’d to the current group. If
>> | ‘(gcc-self . none)’ is present, no ‘Gcc:’ header will be generated,
>> | if ‘(gcc-self . "string")’ is present, this string will be inserted
>> | literally as a ‘gcc’ header. This parameter takes precedence over
>> | any default ‘Gcc’ rules as described later (*note Archived
>> | Messages::), with the exception for messages to resend.
>> |
>> | *Caveat*: Adding ‘(gcc-self . t)’ to the parameter list of ‘nntp’
>> | groups (or the like) isn’t valid. An ‘nntp’ server doesn’t accept
>> | articles.
>> `----
>>
>> Here's my gcc-self related settings:
>>
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> (setq gnus-parameters
>> `((,(rx "nnimap+")
>> (gcc-self . t))
>> ;; Mailing List exceptions
>> (,(rx "nnimap+Uni:ml/")
>> (gcc-self . "nnimap+Uni:Sent"))
>> (,(rx "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.mailinglists.")
>> (gcc-self . "nnimap+Fastmail:INBOX.Sent Items"))))
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>>
>> So I gcc the current group for all my IMAP accounts, except for mailing
>> list groups, where I gcc the account's sent mail folder.
>>
>> To have that only for your Gmail account, you would change the regex to
>> something like ,(rx "nnimap+Gmail") or whatever you've named your gmail
>> account.
>>
>>> 2) I would like to postpone a message directly to a remote group
>>> (ideally, the gmail drafts folder). Currently I'm able to locally
>>> postpone a message and then move it to the remote group. A way to
>>> automate this is what I can't come with (or, better, to directly store
>>> the draft in the remote group, which I'm afraid is not possible).
>>
>> I think this question pops up here once in a while, but so far nobody
>> seems to have implemented that feature.
>>
>> Bye,
>> Tassilo
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* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there
2014-07-31 19:44 ` Carlos Pita
@ 2014-07-31 20:27 ` Carlos Pita
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Carlos Pita @ 2014-07-31 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Here's another alternative (similar to the one I posted a couple of days
ago):
(setq gnus-message-archive-group
(lambda (g)
(when (message-mail-p)
(concat "nnimap+gmail:" g))))
If I'm not wrong this is more or less equivalent to:
(setq gnus-parameters
'(("^[^:]+$" (gcc-self . t)
("^[^:]+:.+$" (gcc-self . none)))))
The first one has a more flexible matching mechanism, as it let's you
pass a lambda expression. But it can't set anything besides the
group. It would be nice that gnus-parameters worked more like
gnus-message-archive-groups, allowing one to passed a dotted pair list
but also a function or expression.
Regards
--
Carlos
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* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there
2014-07-31 19:18 ` Carlos Pita
2014-07-31 19:44 ` Carlos Pita
@ 2014-07-31 20:36 ` Adam Sjøgren
2014-08-01 9:01 ` Tassilo Horn
2 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2014-07-31 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes:
> I'm having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by
> prefix, as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show
> the method prefix, only the secondary ones, but I really want to get a
> similar behavior for all my primary select method without having to
> match on a per group basis. Is that possible?
Probably not the answer you are looking for, but: I use nnnil as the
primary method, and all the real stuff is secondary methods - nobody
gets put on the primary piedestal.
:-),
Adam
--
"It troo! Dat darn Kahlfin stole ma spacechip!" Adam Sjøgren
asjo@koldfront.dk
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* Re: Using gnus with gmail: almost there
2014-07-31 19:18 ` Carlos Pita
2014-07-31 19:44 ` Carlos Pita
2014-07-31 20:36 ` Adam Sjøgren
@ 2014-08-01 9:01 ` Tassilo Horn
2 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2014-08-01 9:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carlos Pita; +Cc: ding
Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@gmail.com> writes:
Hi Carlos,
> gcc-self is indeed a great tip, thank you!
Thanks!
> As you've become sort of my guru now, I'm asking you further: I'm
> having a hard time trying to match my primary method groups by prefix,
> as in "imap.*"; the problem is that these groups don't show the method
> prefix, only the secondary ones,
Oh, really? I wasn't aware of that.
> but I really want to get a similar behavior for all my primary select
> method without having to match on a per group basis. Is that possible?
Well, I don't use a primary select method at all, only secondary ones.
And as far as I know, there's nothing making them less powerful or
second class citizens (well, except that the backend is always shown, it
seems), so you might want to do the same.
;; Make the primary select method a do-nothing one
(setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil))
;; Only use severeal secondary select methods
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
'(nntp "Gmane"
(nntp-address "news.gmane.org")))
...
Bye,
Tassilo
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