From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/83521 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Emacs trunk and Gnus master are fully sync'd now Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:32:17 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87fvvmsa66.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <67um8rzju4ykdj.fsf@saturn.laptop> <87a9lz1zpj.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87ppuv4rs1.fsf@randomsample.de> <67um8robae33lb.fsf@saturn.laptop> <877gh24094.fsf@randomsample.de> <67um8ry59hnqe3.fsf@saturn.laptop> <8738ro52qr.fsf@randomsample.de> <67um8robackn33.fsf@saturn.laptop> <87k3kz692t.fsf@randomsample.de> <67um8rzjtvtx98.fsf@saturn.laptop> <874nc3o7ej.fsf@randomsample.de> <67um8rbo6bpisw.fsf@saturn.laptop> <878v1fs94x.fsf@randomsample.de> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373470361 1662 80.91.229.3 (10 Jul 2013 15:32:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 10 17:32:41 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UwwNk-0007n4-Ee for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:32:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58179 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwwNk-0002gw-2J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:32:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50583) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwwNg-0002fd-Dr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:32:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwwNb-0006bG-Pg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:32:36 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:44221) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwwNb-0006b5-Hw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:32:31 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UwwNa-0007dV-JP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:32:30 +0200 Original-Received: from pool-72-70-84-160.bstnma.east.verizon.net ([72.70.84.160]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:32:30 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by pool-72-70-84-160.bstnma.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:32:30 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-72-70-84-160.bstnma.east.verizon.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:6tAv5AGx5elT5xAB39ychO9TP1Q= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161809 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:83521 Archived-At: On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 15:39:29 -0400 Ted Zlatanov wrote: TZ> It seems safest to always remove old exist/unexist/whatever marks that TZ> can be recreated from the server if `gnus-newsrc-file-version' does not TZ> equal the current Gnus version. With a message saying why, and maybe a TZ> way to disable it selectively and trigger it explicitly. Worst case, TZ> some users have to download things twice... but the logic is much TZ> simpler regarding versions. On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 23:42:22 +0200 David Engster wrote: DE> I like Ted's suggestion on how to fix it, and if no one objects or DE> beats me to it, I'll commit that tomorrow. Cool! I think for this and for gnus-sync (which I am still working on, but have nothing useful yet) it's good to distinguish between ephemeral things that we can recreate from the server and vital things that we can't. I don't know how to do that, though... Gnus doesn't make that distinction except at the protocol level in nnimap.el. Ted