From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/72328 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Password protection Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:45:23 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87fwwri0r0.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87sk0t3oxm.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwwszd1i.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wrq4wcpc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tyl8xp7u.fsf@gmx.de> <87eiccw9ku.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87vd5nx5wa.fsf@gmx.de> <87tyl76v2k.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d3rv6tya.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1285868752 14529 80.91.229.12 (30 Sep 2010 17:45:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:45:52 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M20701@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Sep 30 19:45:49 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P1NCU-0007zr-8A for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:45:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P1NCO-0005Vh-TB; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:45:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P1NCM-0005VL-JZ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:45:38 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P1NCH-0000Mi-UA for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:45:37 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1P1NCH-00024j-00 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:45:33 +0200 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P1NCF-0007ue-Po for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:45:31 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:45:31 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:45:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6;d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:pxXlu+dq8upLfn4w8InasLoir4o= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:72328 Archived-At: On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:17:46 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> It has debugging value, but since you're not going to be able to ever LMI> actually see their real value in the Lisp layer, but have to write LMI> special C functions to do anything with them, I think it has low value LMI> otherwise. So it mainly has all the drawbacks connected with LMI> introducing a new type. On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:19:07 +0200 Michael Albinus wrote: MA> Btw: we should not overestimate the kind of protection. Everybody can MA> install an asynchronous process, send the password object via MA> process-send-string, and read the plain password in the process MA> buffer. Everything on Elisp level. "So, other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" :) I still say float it in emacs-devel and let them pick it apart. Something useful may come out. None of us are security experts. Ted